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i pray for the day we starting getting rid of fossil fuel engines
So do I man, so do I.

Concerning myself, I've pretty much assumed that when I get a house of mine (States man, States. Wyoming possibly), the first I'll do is invest in a wind turbine. A 4kW one will be enough.

Then, put some high efficiency solar panels on the roof when I happen to get the money. That'll be another good 2.5-3kW. And I'm totally independent of the network. I don't need more than 6kW to live (me, my power tools, my heaters, my air conditioners and so on, being the arc welder the thing that eats more powar LOL)
   
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People got cars, so you build roads to accommodate them. Then, the roads take so much places that walking, using public transport or just having a nice time in your city sucks. So, more people get cars, and to leave the cities to live a happy live away from cars crowded cities, to which they go in their little stupid cars.

So things that suck is that cars and the infrastructure they require takes and a lot of place, which increase distances between where people lives and where they have to go, which require even more cars and infrastructure to people can go from one place to another fast.

The illusion that people need cars to go from one place to another is just caused by the fact that cars and infrastructure takes a lot of space.
If you build something high population-density, people live close to where they have to go, and they don't need cars, nor roads. That's the arcology part. Then, between two arcology, you can have a very high speed thing.

Within the arcology, you can have a rapid transit type transportation system on rail, or even two, for goods and people. So, if you want to order something online, it can be sent to your place AUTOMATICALLY within MINUTES, and it's very inexpensive.

Also, everyone,s crying about internet costs and UBB these days. Well, guess what: in an arcology, internet connection is gonna be ******* inexpensive too.

That's like living in the future, and that's what you want. Outside my arcology, there are gonna be ******* wolves roaming around, because another benefit of these high population density structure is that they don't create urban sprawls like car oriented city. So you live close to nature. How much more quality of life can you have when you can watch wolves eating and killing stuff while you eat your breakfast.
And who is going to build this omnipresent public transportation system?

When I travel, I'm often visiting family out in the boonies. This past holiday season I was up in "cabin" (it's a four bedroom home) that is far enough away to get no cell reception, has well water, and relies on a geothermal generator for electricity.

I doubt anyone is going to build a high-speed rail to service a town of 500 people that is 100km from anything, and even if they did, I'm still going to need a car that can handle unpaved roads, or a snowmobile, or an ATV, to drive 10 miles through trails in the woods, ice, and snow to get to where I'm going.

This isn't even that niche of a situation either. There are 60 million people in the US that live in communities of fewer than 2,500 people. It's not even remotely economical to connect all of these by rail.

Yes, it would be great if all large cities had efficient and usable mass transportation, problem is not every one lives in or near a large city. Not everyone would chose to, and not everyone could afford to. Your argument is for an impossible utopia and you over generalize what quality of life is. Being able to do what I want, when I want, where I want, with what I want is a big part of my quality of life.

Personally, my ideal world would have about 6 billion fewer people in it, but at least I realize this is an unrealistic situation (at least until I get my hands on a significant fraction of the world's nuclear arsenal).
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Hehe, I am just waiting for the Jaguar C-X75 to go into production. It is a hybrid, 70m on a charge or just under 500m with the twin turbines charging all 4 wheels, and a top speed of over 200mph. Oh my, I just have to have one. Going green never felt so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-m-AGiYT9I&feature=fvw
Do you know what actually goes into the creation of the batteries used?

I wouldn't call it green...

From an emissions standpoint it may be green but electric cars still require all the traditional energy requirements (and associated pollution) that goes into building them
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Hehe, I am just waiting for the Jaguar C-X75 to go into production. It is a hybrid, 70m on a charge or just under 500m with the twin turbines charging all 4 wheels, and a top speed of over 200mph. Oh my, I just have to have one. Going green never felt so good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-m-AGiYT9I&feature=fvw
Self charging hybrids are the only cars that are debatably green... if you ignore what you do with 200 lbs of battery once its flat. Full electric cars are a joke. They're usually charged by coal fired power plants.
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Many electric car conversions use manual transmissions. They're practically a requirement in popular DC motor conversions, but a lot less important in considerably more expensive AC motor conversions.
Interesting..

I'm sure it wouldnt be too difficult, relatively speaking. All one needs is a flywheel attached to the electric motor and a manual transmission.
 
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Sigh, and the demise of real supercars has begun. Nothing like a V12 naturally-aspirated combustion engine in my opinion.

Speaking of which, saw a DB9 the other day and the sound it made as it took off from the lights...you could feel it in your chest.
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taking a dump on the enviroment and killing you in the process?!?!
The electricity we use today is NOT currently a green energy source. Just because your car doesn't produce any toxins doesn't mean that the same (or more) toxins aren't produced at another location so that you can use that electricity.


I must remind you that energy cannot be created or destroyed and no transfer of energy is ever 100% efficient. So, assume the following:

30 lbs of unburned coal = 30 gallons of unburned gasoline

The power plant burns 30 lbs of coal to turn a turbine that generates electricity which is then shaped and transfered to you so you can charge your batteries. You then have to drain the batteries to get the energy back. But you won't get 100% of it back because it goes through multiple processes. I don't have numbers on how efficient the process is, but I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the day you were sitting in the ball park of 80%. So an electric car actually produces more CO2 and toxin than a fossil fuel car.

Now if you wanted to invest an $20,000 in solar panels to charge your electric car, by all means, go ahead. But saying electric cars are the solution is silly. You need to demand change at the energy source.

Not to mention battery disposal is a major problem in and of itself.
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The electricity we use today is NOT currently a green energy source. Just because your car doesn't produce any toxins doesn't mean that the same (or more) toxins aren't produced at another location so that you can use that electricity.


I must remind you that energy cannot be created or destroyed and no transfer of energy is ever 100% efficient. So, assume the following:

30 lbs of unburned coal = 30 gallons of unburned gasoline

The power plant burns 30 lbs of coal to turn a turbine that generates electricity which is then shaped and transfered to you so you can charge your batteries. You then have to drain the batteries to get the energy back. But you won't get 100% of it back because it goes through multiple processes. I don't have numbers on how efficient the process is, but I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the day you were sitting in the ball park of 80%. So an electric car actually produces more CO2 and toxin than a fossil fuel car.

Now if you wanted to invest an $20,000 in solar panels to charge your electric car, by all means, go ahead. But saying electric cars are the solution is silly. You need to demand change at the energy source.

Not to mention battery disposal is a major problem in and of itself.
The real issue is increased cost of assembly, replacement, and disposal, not energy transfer. Solar isn't without such costs (and resulting pollutants) either.

Power plants more efficient at converting fossil fuels to energy than any but the best internal combustion engine (30-50% for the power plant, about 20% for most IC engines). All things being equal, it would be much cleaner (similar or less amount of fuel burned, more elaborate scrubbing systems, as well as only having to transport electricity, not heavy fossil fules) to have a coal/gas fired power plant bun the fuel, convert it to electricity, and send it over the grid for you to power your vehicle.

Also, a gallon of gasoline is over six pounds.
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Actually, these new cards are pretty ******* awesome. I love the look, although this one is waaaaaay too expensive compared to Tesla Roadster (which actually looks even better).

Do want, and will probably get it one day
I wonder how well they overclock
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