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Since this is my first loop I have no idea what will look better clamps,wormdrives....or maybe compression fittings?....I will take your advice and go with steel wormdrives and barbs

As for cable management modding ...I neither have the time nor the required toolsso I am gonna have to do without....that is why I asked before what the best way was to route the tubes to the radiator in the bottom ...and of course cables of the PSU.
Hope you can help me out here...maybe with some pictures of your build
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best to stay away from compression fittings if this is your first loop. Things can go all kinds of wrong if you make even one mistake with compression fittings (not having either the barb end or the collar secured while tugging on a tube means a leak). Barbs are super simple.

As for the wiring/tubing routing, you'll really have to think on it. Get the rads installed in the case and plot out your tube routing from there. Unless you do some heavy modding (cutting, building, etc), there's really only a few different ways you'll be able to route everything.
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post #53 of 86
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best to stay away from compression fittings if this is your first loop. Things can go all kinds of wrong if you make even one mistake with compression fittings (not having either the barb end or the collar secured while tugging on a tube means a leak). Barbs are super simple.

As for the wiring/tubing routing, you'll really have to think on it. Get the rads installed in the case and plot out your tube routing from there. Unless you do some heavy modding (cutting, building, etc), there's really only a few different ways you'll be able to route everything.
we've had completely different experiences with barbs and compressions. Quite interesting. I would go with compression fittings. I found it easier on my first build to use them since you don't have to cut the tubing off in many cases (if you use 1/2 od barbs and 3/8 id tubing). Compressions always seemed secure and you knew the tubing was in place when the compression couldn't be turned anymore. It's all really just preference tho. Everyone has their own reasons why they like each fitting, no opinion is wrong. Both have an equal amount of positives and negatives. I've just found it easier to remove and move tubing with compressions than barbs.

As for routing of wiring and tubing... I always get the case first then figure out my loop around it. You have to have the case in front of you before you can really decide how to run the tubing. Pictures are many times deceiving.
 
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we've had completely different experiences with barbs and compressions. Quite interesting.
Don't get me wrong, I love compression fittings. I use them, and definitely think they're easier to work with. The problems with compression fittings really only apply to people that are new to water cooling. If you think back to all the leaks you've seen/heard of since you started water cooling, the vast majority of those leaks will come from compression fittings. Probably the next most common factor would be a blown O-ring. I very rarely hear of anyone having a leak with barbs+clamps. That's the main reason I usually recommend barbs to people new to water cooling.

There is no doubt that compression fittings are the more elegant solution though.
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(This is how I had it in mind)


Please just look through the pics and tell me what you think.
The way the most have done it is mound the pump below and run the tubes through the holes to the bottom where the rad is.

Is there a better / tidier way?
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Not without cutting/modding the case. The TJ07 is very limited in customization if you're not willing to mod it. That being said, it is the best case to mod in my opinion, because it has so much potential.
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My Goodnes! you people keep changing your minds ....The whole point of buying the TJ07 and asking you how to setup the tubing was so that I wouldn´t have to mod.
So come on can someone else look at the pictures and give me some feedback?
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Ok some more questions:

1.)How would the 480 rad be fastened? I think in the youtube videos I saw some little holes for the drive cages ...do they aline with a 480 rad holes so I could screw it on ?
Or is their a stand off or things like that you could recommend for the TJ07?

2.)Are the 2x 92 mm intake fans dust filtered?

3.)It seems like even though you guys told me with the parts am about to installI won´t have to do any modding...but it seems more and more that this is not gonna be the case.So even though the 800D has bad airflow and less rad mounting options ...I am not sure anymore wheiter or not to get the Temjin or 800D.
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Ok some more questions:

1.)How would the 480 rad be fastened? I think in the youtube videos I saw some little holes for the drive cages ...do they aline with a 480 rad holes so I could screw it on ?
Or is their a stand off or things like that you could recommend for the TJ07?

2.)Are the 2x 92 mm intake fans dust filtered?

3.)It seems like even though you guys told me with the parts am about to installI won´t have to do any modding...but it seems more and more that this is not gonna be the case.So even though the 800D has bad airflow and less rad mounting options ...I am not sure anymore wheiter or not to get the Temjin or 800D.
1. You can get a radiator stand - I suggest the WCUK stands since they are designed to fit the TJ07 if I'm not wrong. I have the WCUK and Phobya stands and the WCUK one fits better. You can then remove the drive cages and use the holes to mount the rad stand and the rad.

2. I don't think so - mine came without fans (powdercoated interior though!).

3. I notice you have multiple threads asking similar questions so I'm not sure if you saw my response to your other thread.

For what it's worth, I am using a single 480 rad at the bottom with four Scythe Gentle Typhoons, an MCP655 and EK 250 reservoir, cooling a 980X @ 4.3GHz and two GTX 480s. My temps at load (I fold, so they are always at 100% load) for the 980X never go past 58 degrees (ambient of 20 degrees), and for the video cards, never exceed 48 degrees.

I use 7/16 tubing over 1/2 barbs in some places, and 7/16 compression fittings in others. Provided you don't go crazy with your loop design, the TJ07 is more than adequate.

I have a sleeved Enermax PSU next to the rad and am able to route the cables with a bit of effort. I only have two tubes running through the hole in the mid-plate to and from the rad though.

I used this as a guide (I did not reverse the mobo plate though):

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=53
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Thx for the answer
Getting Ã* Rad standoff is ok but I want the Rad fastened and attached to the Case Not just standing...that is why I asked if the screw holes for the hardwarecages on the Upper Bottom Panel could Be used to screh in the Radiator with something beneath the Rad to elevate it.

And can you andere me if the phobya Balancer 250 will fit in the gap between RAM and and Opticalbays...where some E-ATX screwholes are Lines up
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