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Originally Posted by toddville393;14072268 
Ok the way I'm looking at it is that the Intel Core = AMD Module. The pipelines aren't cores. The module is the core an its broken up into individual pipelines.

This is what OCN gets for bringing back a Zombie thread? Well, I hope you all learned your lesson.

todd, the bulldozer.jpg you posted clearly shows the diagram of a MODULE. I won't point it out explicitly but read the comment before, look at the pic again and then just leave it at that.
 
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post #182 of 195
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Originally Posted by Chewy;14068202 
Point in bold.

Re-read his comments from the start

2500k Is currently the best bang for buck cpu for gaming, Unless you get a phenom for free

What? The 965 is the best bang for buck CPU considering it costs nearly $80 less than the 2500k on newegg...Not everyone can/wants to put down $200 on a CPU if they game, you'd see more of a difference by getting a better GPU because the differences between CPUs are either tiny or are above 60fps, so they won't make any difference.

If you want to spend under $200 on a CPU, it's AMD all the way, over $200? Intel ftw.
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Originally Posted by Domino;14068353 
Windows does an amazing job at core use

If Windows does an amazing job at it, then Linux must be a SMP deities. (I easily get 2k PPD extra on Linux's F@H SMP client than Windows')

Just saying, don't throw around amazing everywhere, it does a good job at it...But not amazing.
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Originally Posted by Iceman23;14070126 
Those resources are shared between two cores. In a single threaded situation there's no way that would provide a performance boost over a single core that utilizes its own resources.

Last I checked, they disable cores that aren't being used to help the other cores get a bigger boost in frequency from Turbo from heat and power savings...Which means that the single thread performance would be at 100% of the performance of a normal CPU without this core thing.
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Originally Posted by SectorNine50;14071589 
I'm pretty sure that modules do not share any resources other than the 128-bit Floating Point Modules when they need a 256-bit one.

The OS can schedule a thread to each one of the individual 2 cores in each "module."

It's been stated many times that a "module" is just an internal AMD term for 2 integer cores and 2 128-bit floating point modules that CAN work together. Realistically, they shouldn't have even released the term "module" as it just created confusion.

They share a lot of stuff though, that's why (As JF-AMD said above) they can fit 4 extra cores in 5% of the die space.
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post #184 of 195
lol at the newbs that think cores scale linear.
post #185 of 195
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;14076275 
What? The 965 is the best bang for buck CPU considering it costs nearly $80 less than the 2500k on newegg...Not everyone can/wants to put down $200 on a CPU if they game, you'd see more of a difference by getting a better GPU because the differences between CPUs are either tiny or are above 60fps, so they won't make any difference.

best bang for the buck is the 2600/2500k. no amd quad can pull 129 gflops at 5 ghz on air. in the end, you'll be paying much more for amd as you'll need an upgrade much sooner compared to sb.

you even have the sb-i3s out performing anything amd in gaming.
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;14076275 
If Windows does an amazing job at it, then Linux must be a SMP deities. (I easily get 2k PPD extra on Linux's F@H SMP client than Windows')

did you you stripped and modded the windows kernal for the comparison?

clean installs doesnt matter.
post #186 of 195
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Originally Posted by Domino;14077511 
best bang for the buck is the 2600/2500k. no amd quad can pull 129 gflops at 5 ghz on air. in the end, you'll be paying much more for amd as you'll need an upgrade much sooner compared to sb.

you even have the sb-i3s out performing anything amd in gaming.


did you you stripped and modded the windows kernal for the comparison?

clean installs doesnt matter.

Except the 2500k is $219.99 and the 965 is $134.99, you'd save enough to go to a HD6970 from a HD6950...Which would make more difference in games than a core i3. And the core i3s would pull more FPS than AMD, true...Then the AMD chip gets overclocked to 4.2Ghz (Normal for new ones) and the AMDs pulled ahead by quite a bit. And gflops make little to no difference in games, that's purely a benchmark thing.

You can mod the Windows kernel? I was under the impression that due to it being closed source, you'd be definitely breaking the EULA and possibly even the law (Reverse engineering the kernel) and not to mention, it'd be 10x easier to just use Linux and apply some kernel patches and still get better performance...You can patch crappy coding for a small fix that won't improve much or you can start off with a good base.

Also, where are these modded kernels? I can't find hide nor hair of them on google, only Android and OS X ones.
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post #187 of 195
LOL , funny .. they cant release their cpu yet but they keep throwing out all these benchmarks .

Nobody cares , just release bulldozer for god sake .. Losing interest

intels next cpu will beat the crap out of it anyway .
    
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post #188 of 195
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Originally Posted by Brutuz;14077588 
Except the 2500k is $219.99 and the 965 is $134.99, you'd save enough to go to a HD6970 from a HD6950...Which would make more difference in games than a core i3. And the core i3s would pull more FPS than AMD, true...Then the AMD chip gets overclocked to 4.2Ghz (Normal for new ones) and the AMDs pulled ahead by quite a bit. And gflops make little to no difference in games, that's purely a benchmark thing.

gflops is the biggest player in gaming performce on cpu intensive tasks. farcry2 and sc2 are prime examples. and it goes by how multithreaded the app is. hence why the pII thubans perform less then the i7-920 clock for clock in gaming.
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You can mod the Windows kernel? I was under the impression that due to it being closed source, you'd be definitely breaking the EULA and possibly even the law (Reverse engineering the kernel) and not to mention, it'd be 10x easier to just use Linux and apply some kernel patches and still get better performance...You can patch crappy coding for a small fix that won't improve much or you can start off with a good base.

you know what i meant, and it sounds like you havent done it. so you are comparing a bloated os to a stripped/less featured one.

dont know why you are beating around the bush tho.
Edited by Domino - 7/1/11 at 8:37pm
post #189 of 195
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Originally Posted by Kand;12003318 
So it has 100% more cores and is just 50% faster? Reeks of Barcelona.

diminishing returns. remember when dual cores ran games better than quads because games weren't optimized for quad yet? same cpus now, quad runs way better on new games.
    
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post #190 of 195
Sad that people still think a uber graphics card is more important than cpu.

You never want to be cpu bound, when your gpu bound, you can just turn down the graphics to get frames back up.

If you want to play battlefield 3 lag free at constant 60 fps on full server, you will need a n intel cpu much more than gtx 590/6990
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