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post #31 of 195
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Originally Posted by Tator Tot View Post
8 "Cores" would be equal to the 950, see below: (because they'd be using the same number of threads.)



No, 4 Modules = 8 Cores / 8 Threads.
Actually the bulldozer core has 2 128 bit floating points, which means it can achieve hardware hyperthread instead of virtual hyperthread that intel does. Or it can combine the 2 128 floating points into one 256 floating point and basically brute force one thread. So technically the quad core would be seen as a octo core due to the 2 128 floating points being seen as seperate and sharing resources.
Though the way that works, I would like to see it's perfomance on something as repetitive as superpi, seeing those 2 128 bit floating points combine and brute force a superpi thread.
Edited by Maelthras - 1/13/11 at 10:03pm
post #32 of 195
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Originally Posted by 0m3g4 View Post
4 cores, 8 modules... which is kinda like 4 cores 8 threads? no?
I haven't followed this super close, but either way Im heading the amd route.
Im not liking the direction intel is headed
This.

Plus I don't think it said if it was single thread performance or with all threads used? Because if its single thread performance we have another Athlon64 here.
    
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Wonder how they OC....this will be interesting
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Nobody brought up transistor count yet? Just as an example, I could care less if it's an 8 core, 1B transistor cpu, vs. a quad core 1B transistor cpu if either can max out all cores in programs optimized for a quad, such as GTA IV. So if it's really 50% faster than an i7 950 this would be major. Contrast this with the current situation, where 6 "slow cores" isn't equal to 4 fast cores(I'm guessing this is why some are skeptical about AMD throwing in extra cores)-- the current Phenom II X6's are pretty much the same as a PhII X4 in single threaded benches- which does me no good for gaming.

And to clarify, I believe Bulldozer will come as an 8-core CPU. 2 cores will make up each module, which will be able to simultaneously handle a single thread. I.E. for practical purposes it would work as a quad when needed. So its more like 8 cores, 4 or 8 threads(depending on the cpu's workload). I might be a little off on some of this, but 8 cores/8 threads is 100% certain.
Edited by jrbroad77 - 1/13/11 at 10:39pm
 
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Originally Posted by MattCrinos View Post
http://translate.google.com/translat...daha-hizli.htm

In Russian or something.

My apologies if this is all wrong, but this is my first news post.
That's not Russian that looks Turkish to me...
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Nobody brought up transistor count yet? Just as an example, I could care less if it's an 8 core, 1B transistor cpu, vs. a quad core 1B transistor cpu if either can max out all cores in programs optimized for a quad, such as GTA IV. So if it's really 50% faster than an i7 950 this would be major. Contrast this with the current situation, where 6 "slow cores" isn't equal to 4 fast cores(I'm guessing this is why some are skeptical about AMD throwing in extra cores)-- the current Phenom II X6's are pretty much the same as a PhII X4 in single threaded benches- which does me no good for gaming.

And to clarify, I believe Bulldozer will come as an 8-core CPU. 2 cores will make up each module, which will be able to simultaneously handle a single thread. I.E. for practical purposes it would work as a quad when needed. So its more like 8 cores, 4 or 8 threads(depending on the cpu's workload). I might be a little off on some of this, but 8 cores/8 threads is 100% certain.
???

Please read from the beginning.

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/79...blog-live.html
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Actually the bulldozer core has 2 128 bit floating points, which means it can achieve hardware hyperthread instead of virtual hyperthread that intel does. Or it can combine the 2 128 floating points into one 256 floating point and basically brute force one thread. So technically the quad core would be seen as a octo core due to the 2 128 floating points being seen as seperate and sharing resources.
Though the way that works, I would like to see it's perfomance on something as repetitive as superpi, seeing those 2 128 bit floating points combine and brute force a superpi thread.
So basically Bulldozer does not have AVX and makes up for it by having 2 128 bit FPUs?

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This.

Plus I don't think it said if it was single thread performance or with all threads used? Because if its single thread performance we have another Athlon64 here.
I'm more than likely getting BD if that's true. No I'm feeling luck I haven't received any money yet. I almost jumped the SB ship.

But I'm still uncertain about this. Let's assume this is the new Athlon64 and Nehalem Core i7s will be like Pentium Ds. We have to keep in mind that Nehalem was released in Q4 2008 and BD is going to be something like Q2/Q3 2011? That's about 3 years difference. So I wonder if I should just hang on to my Yorkfield a little longer for Z68 or X68 (whatever it's called ).
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for intel the all of the threads are forced through a single pipeline which nowadays doesn't really give you much performance boost.
Please stop spreading misinformation. Intel's SMT gives you good performance per watt and up to 50% of physical core provided your application supports the threads with only 20% more silicon.

SMT does create latency for crappy code written for only one thread which would be a software issue. Last I checked, Intel and AMD were hardware companies trying to circumvent poor optimized software code.

In gaming, the difference between SMT-off and SMT-on is negligible. I believe there was a 1 frame per second difference with the recent 2500k and 2600k Sandy Bridge parts. This, in my opinion, doesn't lend credence to the claims that SMT isn't good for gaming when there is no discernible difference.
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Im just going to wait for BD and see if ill go BD or SB. Im not a fanboy i just care who gives me more price/performance.
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Ok what alot of you are failing to remember is that hyperthreading = die space to implement, so as far as i understand, AMD takes die space and packages 2 processing "cores" as one "module" that shares resources. Thus you take the die space and make it slightly more efficent, and thus in heavily multi threaded and optimized you might see better performance than when compared to simply 4 cores hyperthreaded.
HT, in all probability takes much less die space, to implement than adding another integer core to a module.

Best numbers I've seen are ~12% (from JF-AMD) for AMDs approach (a whole other integer pipeline and L1 cache) and ~5% for Intel's (based on older Pentium IV numbers and if anything, I would expect it to be less now). This is for the cores only, and doesn't include uncore/NB.

How much performance, on average, that die space pays for will dictate who has the more efficient approach. However, you'd need actual performance numbers and transistor counts/die-sizes to determine this.
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