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Originally Posted by Trigunflame;12014835 
Well, others did & they want that functionality Back; being that they were led to believe it was a Feature of the console.


Or... you could kill 2 birds with one stone by using a PS3; as some did.

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You really have no business commenting further if you're too dense to grasp these very simple concepts.

Completely agree. But I was asked the question directly and wasn't speaking on behalf of others.

No reason to be rude either there Mr. Internet Toughguy
 
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I'm going to start a business. I will grow apples and sell them. Under my rules you may not eat the apple, even though it is now considered your apple. Doing so will get you sued.

It is stupid ideas like this that make the majority of you flat out wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about. The apple here would be your PS3 system, which you can do what ever you want to it. There is nothing stopping you from doing what you want to your console. Read that, and understand it. Read it again, and ensure you completely comprehend it. One more time should do the trick, go ahead, reread it. Your console, do what you want with the hardware. As for the software, you do not own it. You have no right to take their content and modify it to run unauthorized content, and you especially do not have the right to release their security keys. By all means, put your own firmware on it, but altering their firmware or using -any- of their firmware in yours without their permission isn't acceptable, against their policy, and completely legitimate and fair for Sony to take action. It is logically illegal, and I hope Geo goes down for it.
If Geo does happen to win, I will lose hope in content protection from the courts; I will join the many who pirate content. There will be no reason to invest in anything that gets exploited.
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Originally Posted by Zinxe;12015329 
It is stupid ideas like this that make the majority of you flat out wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about. The apple here would be your PS3 system, which you can do what ever you want to it. There is nothing stopping you from doing what you want to your console. Read that, and understand it. Read it again, and ensure you completely comprehend it. One more time should do the trick, go ahead, reread it. Your console, do what you want with the hardware. As for the software, you do not own it. You have no right to take their content and modify it to run unauthorized content, and you especially do not have the right to release their security keys. By all means, put your own firmware on it, but altering their firmware or using -any- of their firmware in yours without their permission isn't acceptable, against their policy, and completely legitimate and fair for Sony to take action. It is logically illegal, and I hope Geo goes down for it.
If Geo does happen to win, I will lose hope in content protection from the courts; I will join the many who pirate content. There will be no reason to invest in anything that gets exploited.

X infinty

Besides, now they can get trophies for soing nothing using this hack, so Sony has grounds for winning
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Sony needs to know their place. They are trash.
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Originally Posted by Riou;12015740 
Sony needs to know their place. They are trash.

Really? As being one of the lead innovators of our time? Like it or not, Sony has pushed consumer technology further than you can fathom. So, you should thank them for making your life better.
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It is stupid ideas like this that make the majority of you flat out wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about. The apple here would be your PS3 system, which you can do what ever you want to it. There is nothing stopping you from doing what you want to your console. Read that, and understand it. Read it again, and ensure you completely comprehend it. One more time should do the trick, go ahead, reread it.

Get off your self righteous high horse. Grats, you win the biggest dick of the topic award. If you want people to respect your opinion, don't treat everyone like they're the stupidest people you've ever met. People understand that sony owns the software. Thanks. You may leave now.

Everybody understands what the EULA is, and the general terms of it that are pertinent to the discussion at hand, however, the question is whether those terms should be in the EULA. Personally, I think that GeoHot didn't do anything wrong, and that Sony is overstepping themselves. -rep for Sony.

Besides, isn't it considered false advertising for Sony to claim that their systems can run Linux (at one point) and then just disable that later on. Isn't this called the classic "bait and switch"? Thoughts?
    
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Originally Posted by Riou;12015740 
Sony needs to know their place. They are trash.

I wouldnt say trash.
Over-rated, yea.

Sony practically shot themself in the foot when they took the otherOS option out. Its their own fault for getting their system hacked or so. I bet you if they never took it out, hackers wouldve never bothered that much with trying to access the code to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Zinxe;12015329 
It is stupid ideas like this that make the majority of you flat out wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about. The apple here would be your PS3 system, which you can do what ever you want to it. There is nothing stopping you from doing what you want to your console. Read that, and understand it. Read it again, and ensure you completely comprehend it. One more time should do the trick, go ahead, reread it. Your console, do what you want with the hardware. As for the software, you do not own it. You have no right to take their content and modify it to run unauthorized content, and you especially do not have the right to release their security keys. By all means, put your own firmware on it, but altering their firmware or using -any- of their firmware in yours without their permission isn't acceptable, against their policy, and completely legitimate and fair for Sony to take action. It is logically illegal, and I hope Geo goes down for it.
If Geo does happen to win, I will lose hope in content protection from the courts; I will join the many who pirate content. There will be no reason to invest in anything that gets exploited.

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Legal precedent disagrees with you. Hardware without software is useless. Much like a car with no engine is useless. Its already been ruled in court that cracking a device to allow more functionality is within your legal rights as a consumer.

You can live in your fantasy world of big corporations can do no wrong, but some of us live in reality.
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Just my 2 cents; when corporations win, consumers all lose. There is a reason why competition is good.
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It is stupid ideas like this that make the majority of you flat out wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about. The apple here would be your PS3 system, which you can do what ever you want to it. There is nothing stopping you from doing what you want to your console. Read that, and understand it. Read it again, and ensure you completely comprehend it. One more time should do the trick, go ahead, reread it. Your console, do what you want with the hardware. As for the software, you do not own it. You have no right to take their content and modify it to run unauthorized content, and you especially do not have the right to release their security keys. By all means, put your own firmware on it, but altering their firmware or using -any- of their firmware in yours without their permission isn't acceptable, against their policy, and completely legitimate and fair for Sony to take action. It is logically illegal, and I hope Geo goes down for it.
If Geo does happen to win, I will lose hope in content protection from the courts; I will join the many who pirate content. There will be no reason to invest in anything that gets exploited.

People release security flaws to the public all the time for OSes. This is how you can ensure the the companies will be forced to be accountable for them. Releasing a key like this isn't illegal IMO, because it is simply allowing people to hack into their PS3s, which is perfectly legal. What isn't legal is running software you haven't purchased (like illegal copies of games). Sure, this allows you to do illegal things with your PS3, but that doesn't make the hack itself illegal, it can be used to do plenty of legal things.
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