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Legal precedent disagrees with you. Hardware without software is useless. Much like a car with no engine is useless. Its already been ruled in court that cracking a device to allow more functionality is within your legal rights as a consumer.

You can live in your fantasy world of big corporations can do no wrong, but some of us live in reality.

I'm not in a fantasy world. You can add functionality, but to the point where you can forge official content? That is beyond "functionality", that is forgery. Trust me, I'm all for being able to add extra features and extra customization along with other addons. But this will, will end in piracy. There is absolutely no doubt about it.
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Get off your self righteous high horse. Grats, you win the biggest dick of the topic award. If you want people to respect your opinion, don't treat everyone like they're the stupidest people you've ever met. People understand that sony owns the software. Thanks. You may leave now.

Everybody understands what the EULA is, and the general terms of it that are pertinent to the discussion at hand, however, the question is whether those terms should be in the EULA. Personally, I think that GeoHot didn't do anything wrong, and that Sony is overstepping themselves. -rep for Sony.

Besides, isn't it considered false advertising for Sony to claim that their systems can run Linux (at one point) and then just disable that later on. Isn't this called the classic "bait and switch"? Thoughts?
Righteous high horse? Believing a company is in the right for suing someone giving out their security codes to the public makes me righteous? That is sad for the world, and for our community. It shouldn't make me righteous, it should be apart of an average consensus. While the idea is to help innocent improvement is awesome and fully supported by me, it will most definitely lead to piracy and financial/motivational destruction of developers. Give me an award for being a dick, but I also get one for being right.
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I love Geohot... for his jailbreaks, can't stand vanilla iphone/itouch 3rd party should have been available from the start. I support Geohot, really hope he gets off.
    
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I'm not in a fantasy world. You can add functionality, but to the point where you can forge official content? That is beyond "functionality", that is forgery. Trust me, I'm all for being able to add extra features and extra customization along with other addons. But this will, will end in piracy.There is absolutely no doubt about it.
So a guy who is just allowing us to take advantage of our legal right to use hardware we have paid for deserves this lawsuit because some people will abuse it?

Should we also punish highway engineers because roads are used to transport illegal substances?

Fantasy land: you're in it.
Edited by Bluescreen_Of_Death - 1/14/11 at 10:32pm
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I'm not in a fantasy world. You can add functionality, but to the point where you can forge official content? That is beyond "functionality", that is forgery. Trust me, I'm all for being able to add extra features and extra customization along with other addons. But this will, will end in piracy. There is absolutely no doubt about it.


Righteous high horse? Believing a company is in the right for suing someone giving out their security codes to the public makes me righteous? That is sad for the world, and for our community. It shouldn't make me righteous, it should be apart of an average consensus. While the idea is to help innocent improvement is awesome and fully supported by me, it will most definitely lead to piracy and financial/motivational destruction of developers. Give me an award for being a dick, but I also get one for being right.
Repped for being a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you!


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Righteous high horse? Believing a company is in the right for suing someone giving out their security codes to the public makes me righteous? That is sad for the world, and for our community. It shouldn't make me righteous, it should be apart of an average consensus. While the idea is to help innocent improvement is awesome and fully supported by me, it will most definitely lead to piracy and financial/motivational destruction of developers. Give me an award for being a dick, but I also get one for being right.
Please look at what I quoted you saying. Your pride and condescension is manifest in the way that you addressed everybody reading your post, and not in your opinions.
    
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Repped for being a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you!
It amazes me that so many people are willing to let sony break the law.

GeoHot has done nothing illegal. The fruits of his labor may be used illegally, but why should he be punished for the potential actions of others?

Should the scientists in the Manhattan project be jailed for discovering nuclear fission because it can be used to kill massive amounts of people?

Should the man who discovered steel be jailed because steel can be forged into a sword used for taking life?

They call this critical thinking. If GeoHot's work gives people the opportunity to pirate, he shouldn't be punished. The people who choose to pirate are the ones who should be held responsible, just like the man who uses the sword or who fires the nuclear missle.

Tl;dr

Give credit where credit is due.
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Please look at what I quoted you saying. Your pride and condescension is manifest in the way that you addressed everybody reading your post, and not in your opinions.
I didn't mean to sound condescending. I've posted the same post multiple times on multiple threads. It seems as if no one bothers to read or even try to understand, so I posted it in such a way that -no one- here could possibly misunderstand it. It is a simple concept that almost everyone here is ignoring. You think you are buying the rights to modify software that isn't yours to the point where you can pirate. It doesn't matter if you will pirate, it is the fact that you can pirate. There isn't a way to separate the two, and that is why it is a legitimate move to sue for releasing the crack.

Now, if Geo wrote his own software where you can use legit free open-source content on the PS3 without being able to cheat, forge trophies, or use pirated content, then that is a different story. He claims to have done that, but anyone with a half a brain would know that is a bunch of trash. He released the keys publicly, allowing anyone to do anything illegal with it.
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I didn't mean to sound condescending. I've posted the same post multiple times on multiple threads. It seems as if no one bothers to read or even try to understand, so I posted it in such a way that -no one- here could possibly misunderstand it. It is a simple concept that almost everyone here is ignoring. You think you are buying the rights to modify software that isn't yours to the point where you can pirate. It doesn't matter if you will pirate, it is the fact that you can pirate. There isn't a way to separate the two, and that is why it is a legitimate move to sue for releasing the crack.

Now, if Geo wrote his own software where you can use legit free open-source content on the PS3 without being able to cheat, forge trophies, or use pirated content, then that is a different story. He claims to have done that, but anyone with a half a brain would know that is a bunch of trash. He released the keys publicly, allowing anyone to do anything illegal with it.
The difference here is you're just flat out wrong. There is legal precedent that shows that it is legal to modify the device and add extra functionality. What you choose to do with that functionality is a different ballgame entirely.

There is a difference between providing the oportunity to commit a crime and actually committing the crime, and you seem to be unable to make the distinction.
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I think the greatest argument for GeoHot's actions is the jailbreaking precedent. Nobody in this topic can deny that so far, in U.S., the law has been largely on the jailbreakers' side. Whether you agree with that or not is totally different.
    
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The difference here is you're just flat out wrong. There is legal precedent that shows that it is legal to modify the device and add extra functionality. What you choose to do with that functionality is a different ballgame entirely.

There is a difference between providing the oportunity to commit a crime and actually committing the crime, and you seem to be unable to make the distinction.
No, modifying software that isn't yours isn't legal without permission. I don't know how many times I have to clearly say, the device is yours. That is what I said it in such a "condescending" way because people don't seem to understand. The hardware and software are different things. Do what ever you want with the hardware, it doesn't matter. Making your own software without using anything from someone else's software is fine. Taking their software and forging unauthorized content without their permission is equivalent to forging their signature and taking something that isn't yours. I'm not sure how much more clearer that can get.
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