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Originally Posted by r34p3rex View Post
His hack does not enable piracy so I don't see what the big deal is
For now...
 
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post #22 of 171
You can code whatever you want on your hardware, but making it public knowing it will eventually hurt the company that created it is what I think is wrong..

And I would have to say I'm allied to Sony [or any company for that matter]; at the end, if it wasn't because of their investment, we would've never had anything to 'play' with..
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post #23 of 171
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You don't actually own your copy of Windows by that logic, since you can only install it on a certain number of machines.
Your right there, u don't own widows, u r leasing a copy to use with a very strict agreement. It can be revoked at any time for almost any reason
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post #24 of 171
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And that's not Sony's issue. It's the distribution of his hack that they want to stop. Seems reasonable to me.
How is it even close to reasonable?

The distribution of the hack?

Is that the best for Sony, really?

If he wants the hack to be known for others and let them do what they want with their product, then let it be, they paid for it.
post #25 of 171
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I don't think it is up to you to decide what should be in a system that you neither manufactured, nor programmed. This is Sony property regardless of our opinions on what should be on there.

He's just another hacker looking for justification.
IDK about you, but if I pay money for something and a company decides to sue me for using it in a way they don't agree with, they can kiss my ass.

Considering that there's already legal precedent, you're just flat out wrong.

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I'll do whatever the hell I want with my own hardware, thank you very much. Why would any consumer side with a large corporation?
Some people feel that the big corporations can do no wrong. They tend to be the same people who follow the "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide" mantra.
post #26 of 171
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And that's not Sony's issue. It's the distribution of his hack that they want to stop. Seems reasonable to me.
Actually that is exactly the issue. Sony wants to limit your ability to run programs other than theirs on YOUR PS3. Unfourtunately, the keys which allow people to run Homebrew etc. are also the keys which allow things to be pirated. Sounds like Sony should have thought that one out better.
    
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post #27 of 171
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Your right there, u don't own widows, u r leasing a copy to use with a very strict agreement. It can be revoked at any time for almost any reason
Which is the same with the PS3 OS. Just read the System Software Licensing Agreement:

http://www.scei.co.jp/ps3-eula/ps3_eula_en.html

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Originally Posted by 8-Ball View Post
How is it even close to reasonable?

The distribution of the hack?

Is that the best for Sony, really?

If he wants the hack to be known for others and let them do what they want with their product, then let it be, they paid for it.
Doesn't matter. He violated the Licensing Agreement, therefore Sony can take action.
Edited by Pibbz - 1/13/11 at 9:58pm
 
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Your right there, u don't own widows, u r leasing a copy to use with a very strict agreement. It can be revoked at any time for almost any reason
Not any reason. Microsoft can't just be like, screw you, no Windows! Your not leasing anything either. Leasing implies a series of payments for the use of something. You are licensing, meaning you purchase a license, and you own a copy of the software as long as that license is still valid. Just because my license ends does that mean I cannot use Windows? No.

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Originally Posted by Pibbz View Post
Doesn't matter. He violated the Licensing Agreement, therefore Sony can take action.
Legally yes, and I agree with you on that point. However ethically, if I go out and buy a PS3, sony should have not have the right to tell me what I can or cannot do with it. I am not renting anything from them. I own the console and software, which means I should be able to run any software I please.
Edited by Limes - 1/13/11 at 10:15pm
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post #29 of 171
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I don't think it is up to you to decide what should be in a system that you neither manufactured, nor programmed. This is Sony property regardless of our opinions on what should be on there.

He's just another hacker looking for justification.
By that logic, it's up to Microsoft/Apple what is on our computers...Sony and Microsoft can ban us from the online services if they want, but anything I've paid good money and that I own physically is mine, whether they like it or not.

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Originally Posted by Pibbz View Post
So he says...
His hack doesn't, it gives anyone full control to the OS and lets the hobbyists re-enable OtherOS, give it better support for codecs, etc.

However, others hacks probably will enable piracy in the future, he says he doesn't support this.
Read up on this stuff before you comment.
    
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post #30 of 171
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His hack does not enable piracy so I don't see what the big deal is
From what I understand, games can be hacked, though it requires some additional hacking that some hacker will have to figure out how to hack.

This is slippery-slope hacking that they inadvertently caused.

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Originally Posted by Blue Destroyer View Post
It is about consumer rights. Dosnt matter what he does with a ps3. I can take a ps3 and install xbox software on it and sony nor microsoft can do **** about it except ban the console. Its my property I can do what u want with it.
Its not about rooting your console! If you can root your smart phone, I'm sure its fine to root your console or mod other junk around your house.

I fear this will give rise to privateers and the black market which would be taking away from the gaming industry.



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It was also illegal to make backup DVD movies too.
Who cares what you do within the privacy of your home However, don't try and make money from other people's intellectual property.
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