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Originally Posted by IcedEarth View Post
I don't think it is up to you to decide what should be in a system that you neither manufactured, nor programmed. This is Sony property regardless of our opinions on what should be on there.

He's just another hacker looking for justification.
So even though be bought and paid for that system its not up to him to decide what he puts on it?
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
Not illegal. Your point ends there. If you already legally own a copy of the movie, it's totally legal.
I own the MOVIE but I do not own the rights or the licence to bypass the copy-protection that COMES with the movie.

Even if the above statement is untrue, you are still missing my point. Sony, is missing the point.

However, apparently it is illegal to strip a DRM off the content that I own.
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Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
Mmmm... so because you own a gun you have the right to equip it with a silencer? (Which is illegal)

I guess you also have the right to smoke marijuana since you own the plants and grew them yourself in your house.

Both are pretty extreme examples, but they follow the same logic you're insisting is "right." Just because you bought a product, does not mean you can do whatever you like with it.

For the record I'm in no way a huge Sony fan. I would love to see the console age diminish and reinvigorate PC gaming.

Terms of agreement. A company can say anything in their terms of agreement so long as it is not invading others rights and they have the legal power if you violate any of the terms.
You cannot buy a silencer or marijuana without a license. You can however buy a ps3. If you buy a car and modify it to have more horse power and release how to do it you wont get sued. Why does sony have the right to sue geohot?
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You cannot buy a silencer or marijuana without a license. You can however buy a ps3. If you buy a car and modify it to have more horse power and release how to do it you wont get sued. Why does sony have the right to sue geohot?
He broke the contract he made with them.
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Originally Posted by KBcobra View Post
Yeah it is what Stealth Pyros is saying. In reality when you buy play your ps3 your agreeing to this "... You may not sell, rent, sublicense, modify, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any portion of the Property... you may not reproduce or transfer any portion of the Property... You may not bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, digital rights management or authentication mechanism.." which means you DO NOT own that ps3 technically and you openly agreed to it.
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He broke the contract he made with them.
You can dictate that they have to walk your dog twice a week in the eula too, doesn't make it legal or illegal.

Just because it's in an EULA doesn't make it the law. If an eula says you have to murder your sister prior to using the product would you return it to the store? What matters is the actual law, if the content of an eula doesn't coincide with what the law dictates, then it is irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by kppanic View Post
If you look at fail0verflow's video, they did not:

1. Bypass;
2. Disable; or
3. Circumvent

their encryption or security. From the looks of it, Sony failed at designing and coding. That is just like going into a math exam and the teachers accidentally put the answers out along with the questions. They may VOID the validity of the answers given by the students on the grounds that the students may or may not have gotten the answers without the "answers" but they simply cannot hold the students accountable for "cheating." The students did not bypass, disable, circumvent, or certainly "cheated" to get the right answers.
By your logic, I guess it would be totally fine if a thief walks in through your front door that you locked. Sony had security preventing something from happening. Geo found a way to get past that security, just like a thief would get past your lock.

Sony didn't accidentally give out the answer to their encryption. It took years for anyone to find the answer. Completely different example you're throwing there where the teacher accidentally put all the answers with the questions.

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Originally Posted by Twinnuke View Post
You cannot buy a silencer or marijuana without a license. You can however buy a ps3. If you buy a car and modify it to have more horse power and release how to do it you wont get sued. Why does sony have the right to sue geohot?


When you buy a car, you don't make an agreement that says you can't modify it. When you buy a PS3, you do.


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You can dictate that they have to walk your dog twice a week in the eula too, doesn't make it legal or illegal.

Just because it's in an EULA doesn't make it the law. If an eula says you have to murder your sister prior to using the product would you return it to the store? What matters is the actual law, if the content of an eula doesn't coincide with what the law dictates, then it is irrelevant.
You're absolutely correct. You can't put something in a terms of agreement if it constitutes a violation of rights. You can't say "by agreeing to these terms, we have the right to run in and kill your entire family at any moment we please," as that is an illegal notion. The PS3's terms of agreements only state that you can't mess with their intellectual property, which is a completely legitimate claim protecting their intellectual property rights.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 1/14/11 at 8:54am
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....no, they can ban his console, that is the only action the can take. Time and time again, licensing agreements have been shown to not be binding in court. same with microsoft(windows), all they can do is revoke your cd key.

ohh, and i have an 80gb fat ps3 that not only could i install linux on(and i did) when i bought it, sony showed me how to in there own MANUAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...that was one of the reasons i bought it, and for sony to take away that feature...one of the features they pushed as "see what the ps3 can do that the xbox cant" is BS. I paid for a 80gb fat ps3 that i could install linux on, then after they sold enough they took that away. i dont feel bad for sony at all and they can suck a fat one for all i care...that woud be like a motherboard company touting that you can run 16gbs of ram, then doing an update and only allowing 8gbs....

Yea and you know what sucks that 360 gained linux support when they figured out to JTAG.

Also you dont see Microsoft suing any of the makers of Ixtreme.
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Yea and you know what sucks that 360 gained linux support when they figured out to JTAG.

Also you dont see Microsoft suing any of the makers of Ixtreme.
They have a more effective method and cheaper method. Banning them.
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I don't think it is up to you to decide what should be in a system that you neither manufactured, nor programmed. This is Sony property regardless of our opinions on what should be on there.

He's just another hacker looking for justification.
Disagree.
I paid for it. I can do whatever I want with the hardware.
That is what is essentially being fought in the courts, yet again. I don't know how you get away with saying regardless of our opinions it is true.

Also, jailbreaking iPhones has led to pure awesomeness. It benefits the consumers so much to have control of it. And if you want the "Apple experience", then don't jailbreak it. The same should happen on the PS3.

I really don't understand how people on OCN can defend huge companies like this... moral obligation? lol get off your high horses. (And this is not really directed at you icedearth, plenty of people come on here and play devils advocate over things that actually benefit them).


Running software that I "stole" is entirely another matter.
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The PS3's terms of agreements only state that you can't mess with their intellectual property, which is a completely legitimate claim protecting their intellectual property rights.
Not really actually. Similar ideas have already been shot down by the courts against other companies. The issue is how much does this notion interfere upon consumer rights, and where exactly do you draw the line.

The "design" of an engine is intellectual property. If the company selling that engine says you cannot modify our design (intellectual property), should that supersede consumer rights law? In similar circumstances u.s. courts have already ruled in the consumers favor.
Edited by supaspoon - 1/14/11 at 9:06am
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