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Originally Posted by b.walker36 View Post
So what your saying is if everyone noticed it in the exam and used it to get a good grade they are not cheating per say but would get re tested.

But in geo hots case he figured out the answers for in the exam and then provided those answers to his classmates. Thus making him a cheat, and those that took his answer key cheats as well.

And i fully agree with you.
Yea. People here just aren't grasping what terms of agreement means. Sure, you're buying a product, it's yours, but you are purchasing it UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS. Just like when you buy a gun under the conditions that you will not murder anyone with it. (Before another person brings it up again) Of course, if those terms include something that is peculiar and illegal it is not legally accountable. In PS3's case, declaring that you can't decompile their security measure nor anything else is totally legal as it is in defense of their intellectual property rights. There's a reason why we have a distinct differentiation between open-source and closed-source software. PS3's software is certainly not open-source, making it illegal to decompile.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 1/14/11 at 9:31am
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You cannot buy a silencer or marijuana without a license. You can however buy a ps3. If you buy a car and modify it to have more horse power and release how to do it you wont get sued. Why does sony have the right to sue geohot?
Everyone is using the completely wrong analogies. You CAN take your PS3 and modify the casing; or modify the cooling infrastructure with water-cooling; or even overclock the Cell processor AS LONG AS you don't have to hack the OS.

The issue here is completely on the software side of the PS3, and why I think this will (hopefully) turn out to be a significant trial to every company that makes these EULAs.

Everyone who owns a PS3 has to agree to this EULA the very first time they turn it on. I believe Sony's sole purpose for this is to prevent piracy and protect it's investment in it's numerous developers. This is what seems reasonable to me because I don't want to see Naughty Dog, or Guerrilla Games, or Media Molecule affected by piracy.

If GeoHot is supposedly against piracy, why would he encourage the hacking of the PS3 System Software knowing full well that piracy is a side effect of that?
 
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Im sorry but i own the atoms... How the electrons move through it is my descision.

This is exactly the same as flashing a 6950 to a 6970 bios, it souldnt be done but it can and has been done.
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Everyone is using the completely wrong analogies. You CAN take your PS3 and modify the casing; or modify the cooling infrastructure with water-cooling; or even overclock the Cell processor AS LONG AS you don't have to hack the OS.

The issue here is completely on the software side of the PS3, and why I think this will (hopefully) turn out to be a significant trial to every company that makes these EULAs.

Everyone who owns a PS3 has to agree to this EULA the very first time they turn it on. I believe Sony's sole purpose for this is to prevent piracy and protect it's investment in it's numerous developers. This is what seems reasonable to me because I don't want to see Naughty Dog, or Guerrilla Games, or Media Molecule affected by piracy.

If GeoHot is supposedly against piracy, why would he encourage the hacking of the PS3 System Software knowing full well that piracy is a side effect of that?
That's exactly what I find lulzy of him. He's just trying to act fresh with the snide remark that he does not condone piracy.


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Im sorry but i own the atoms... How the electrons move through it is my descision.

This is exactly the same as flashing a 6950 to a 6970 bios, it souldnt be done but it can and has been done.
Similar, but does AMD have it in their terms of agreement that you may not flash a BIOS yourself? They hand out BIOS updates don't they? You're grabbing the 6970 BIOS directly from them and flashing it to the 6950, not flashing a custom firmware.
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I don't think it is up to you to decide what should be in a system that you neither manufactured, nor programmed. This is Sony property regardless of our opinions on what should be on there.

He's just another hacker looking for justification.
This, fully agreed.

I hope this guy goes down. I'm all for opening for customization and ability to run open-sourced things on hardware I paid for, but with that comes the flood of pathetic pirates. You can't have one without the other, and I much rather not have any of it than to see good games be pirated. Devs won't like to develop a game that will be stolen, it is sad.
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Yea guys, lets just turn down all the potential good that can come from full control over a system we bought just because one of the side effects is piracy.
/sarcasm


ITT: sheeple
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Yea guys, lets just turn down all the potential good that can come from full control over a system we bought just because one of the side effects is piracy.
/sarcasm


ITT: sheeple
I've been waiting for some "potential good" for my PSP-1000 with CFW for a long time now. The only thing I find worthwhile doing with it is playing emulators and ISOs.
 
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Sony is getting what it deserves after it killed Linux and backwards compatibility. You all complained when they took away Linux, now its seems you are all taking the shaft really well.
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I've been waiting for some "potential good" for my PSP-1000 with CFW for a long time now. The only thing I find worthwhile doing with it is playing emulators and ISOs.
I direct you to the # of visual effects hobbyists/freelances who've recently started using the kinect as a mocap device, something that otherwise would cost them 10's of thousands of $$ to do at a professional studio. A whole new level of creative freedom accessible to thousands, impossible without the device having been cracked.
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I'll do whatever the hell I want with my own hardware, thank you very much. Why would any consumer side with a large corporation?
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However, since you purchased the hardware, you have the right install or program what you want on it.... at least in the US.

The hardware that you purchased is yours... it is not a rental, lease, or license.
Note why I said 'should be on the system' maybe it was a bad decision on my part to mention hardware, but I was referring to the software.

You want to mess about with the hardware that's fine, but this hack is a circumvention of Sony software.

If you want to put something on there then go ahead and build your own operating system.
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