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If it was DURING the test that a single student decrypted the test and handed the answer out to everyone in the class you honestly don't think the teacher would retest them or discipline them and fail the ones that cheated?

After the test was taken, why would it matter if they discovered that the questions had the answers the whole time? They already took it. There's no going back. Sort of a fail analogy. You can't decompile a test in its raw form to find its answers (like the PS3's security) your example is inferring that the teacher wrote some kind of random string of letters or numbers at the bottom of the test, easily seen by the students who can then try to decipher it for answers. That is not at all like the case with the PS3. Geo actually had to break apart the PS3's software, aka decompile.
OK. My original reply to you was that the teachers can DEFINITELY invalidate all the answers and re-test the students. I am not against that. However, what happens if ALL the questions stem from ONE answer, and that ONE answer has been revealed? It is not the fault of the students at this point, it is the failure on the teachers' part. The teachers cannot come up with any other original questions! Re-testing at this point will be moot.
Students have a choice of either:
1. participating again, and taking the test again, and giving out the same answer, again; or
2. not choose to participate.

Same for Sony. Their key has been revealed. Now you have two choices:
1. use the key to your advantage. Run homebrew software on your PS3. Have the option back of being able to install Linux and other OSes; or
2. not use the key to your advantage.

Sony took away the ability to use other OSes on my PS3. I honestly bought 3 PS3 games ever since the PS3 was released. One game with the system, and two other I bought, one was Heavently Sword and the other was Killzone 2. My original intent was to have the PS3 as a media hub running Linux, have it hooked up to my network, ability to remote-login, use JBOD Raid enclosures, and stream any media onto the TV. Sony took away a huge chunk of the original design of the system, which I paid for. If they took it away, I want a partial refund, because now the product does not do what it used to do before. There are workarounds to do this, i.e. I could use TVersity or its variants, but honestly it was just too much hassle and now PS3 is gathering up dust. I haven't turned it on since then because it's useless to me now. What does Sony have to say to that?

They would have to address MY issue before they pursue THEIR issue because they caused MY issue prior to THEIR issue. Had they kept the ability to install Other OSes, PS3 may remain, to this date, an "uncracked" console system.
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I direct you to the # of visual effects hobbyists/freelances who've recently started using the kinect as a mocap device, something that otherwise would cost them 10's of thousands of $$ to do at a professional studio. A whole new level of creative freedom accessible to thousands, impossible without the device having been cracked.
I wholeheartedly support that, and so does Microsoft. It doesn't lead to piracy.
 
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I direct you to the # of visual effects hobbyists/freelances who've recently started using the kinect as a mocap device, something that otherwise would cost them 10's of thousands of $$ to do at a professional studio. A whole new level of creative freedom accessible to thousands, impossible without the device having been cracked.
Microsoft is actually happy about it. They had no system in place at all to protect against what those guys did. They didn't quite hack the Kinect, they created an open-source driver for the PC to work with the Kinect, which was not at all against the Kinect's agreement terms.

http://mashable.com/2010/11/20/microsoft-kinect-hacks/

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“What has happened is someone wrote a open source driver for PCs, which essentially opens the USB connection, which we didn’t protect by design, and reads the inputs from the sensor.”
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I support GeoHotz. If he is allowing home-brew to be run without any piracy issues then great. IMHO you should be able to do as you wish with the product you OWN. Sure Sony can own the name and propriety OS on the PS3 but other than that they own little else and I think its up to the customers what they wish to install on there PS3.
I 100% agree - you own it, you can do what you want with it.

Any computing software that is written so that it requires "jailbreaking" should simply be banned as anti-competive, monopolistic, and an infringement on the rights of consumers to engage in law abiding activities and the ability to make free, democratic choices.

Piracy hurts the software industry? Wrong - it build the industry. Without piracy, no one would know about any new software offerings, and would never get a chance to try anything out, except for certain crippled "demos". Piracy is needed because EULAs remove the right to actually try out software and return it for a full refund if it is found to be unacceptable garbage. Shareware was always a better idea - try it out, and if it does the job, you pay for it, and if it doesn't, it's tossed in the bit bucket.

As far as analogies go - no auto manufacturer would ever sue their customers for customizing their cars. Sure, you plunk a Rootes Blower on top and blow the engine - warranty does not cover that - but no maker ever sue their customers for making their auto usable or customed.

Only in the computer industry does this malarkey go on - mostly because developers think writing software is some get righ quick scheme - and because developers feel that they can shovel out any inadequate, bug ridden garbage onto the market and protect themselves with some trash EULA.
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Microsoft is actually happy about it. They had no system in place at all to protect against what those guys did. They didn't quite hack the Kinect, they created an open-source driver for the PC to work with the Kinect, which was not at all against Microsoft's agreement.

http://mashable.com/2010/11/20/microsoft-kinect-hacks/
Is what they now say after backpedaling. Few weeks ago they were singing a different tune.

Never the less, point is that there are indeed 'useful' & 'productive' outcomes from these activities.
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You people don't understand. The hardware is yours, stop saying "LOL I PAID FOR IT I CAN DO WHAT I WANT LULZ". It is the firmware on it that isn't yours, you didn't pay for that firmware. It even says in the documentation it is Sony's and you are prohibited to reverse engineer, etc, to it. That is the problem at hand. If you want to rip apart your PS3 because it is yours and you paid for it, then do it. The software on it, is not yours. I pay for my college dorm, so I should have the right to tear down the entire building and put my own personal retail store on the property. Ffs, idiots.
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Similar, but does AMD have it in their terms of agreement that you may not flash a BIOS yourself? They hand out BIOS updates don't they? You're grabbing the 6970 BIOS directly from them and flashing it to the 6950, not flashing a custom firmware.
That's the thing. You can't just take old, previous PS3 firmware and try to backdate your current firmware, which will definitely enable Other OS.

You can take 6970 firmware and flash on 6950. How is AMD going to counter this? GO ahead, make future 6950 releases literally Laser cut the extra shaders.

I can't take old PS3 firmware and flash it on my PS3. Sony won't let me. Why? I don't know. Geohot lets me.

Read the EULA, where does it say that I can't flash old firmware? Sony won't even let me play certain games if I don't update to the newest firmware. Does it mean that older firmware suddenly become all taboo and illegal for me to use? What happens if I had the original firmware from the release day and have not updated since? The moment I turn on that PS3 am I breaking the EULA? or the Law?
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I don't think it is up to you to decide what should be in a system that you neither manufactured, nor programmed. This is Sony property regardless of our opinions on what should be on there.

He's just another hacker looking for justification.
When you pay 400 dollars for it, it should be up to me.
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You people don't understand. The hardware is yours, stop saying "LOL I PAID FOR IT I CAN DO WHAT I WANT LULZ". It is the firmware on it that isn't yours, you didn't pay for that firmware. It even says in the documentation it is Sony's and you are prohibited to reverse engineer, etc, to it.
For the billionth time, law trumps EULA.......

Go look up Vernor Vs. Autodesk re: first sale doctrine.

"ffs idiots" right back at you. It's simply,.......not that simple. A lot of these concepts are still on going battles throughout our court systems.
Edited by supaspoon - 1/14/11 at 10:22am
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You people don't understand. The hardware is yours, stop saying "LOL I PAID FOR IT I CAN DO WHAT I WANT LULZ". It is the firmware on it that isn't yours, you didn't pay for that firmware. It even says in the documentation it is Sony's and you are prohibited to reverse engineer, etc, to it. That is the problem at hand. If you want to rip apart your PS3 because it is yours and you paid for it, then do it. The software on it, is not yours. I pay for my college dorm, so I should have the right to tear down the entire building and put my own personal retail store on the property. Ffs, idiots.
Are you also entitled to remove sony's embedded operating system or erase the firmware?

Overall all these arguments and proceedings make me abstain from new consoles.plus i despise online gaming. I prefer to have the opponent beside me so i can swear at will.

Consoles are more popular in the internet age, yet control is so tight.


The irony is that you can run linux legally on ps2 with an external hard drive,yet it was removed from ps3

A reason why the dreamcast was ahead of its time...
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