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I cant wait... my 930 should do me till then Im so buying a cool case now just so i have a year to mod it !!!!
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Is it not ture the Smaller we go the Less volts we can add... And the less volts = lower oc's?
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I'll have what you're having.
He's pointing out that you can't believe everything someone or some company says. A lot of things can be fabricated.

On Topic. Intel does have lots of cash reserves and they make their own wafers. So problems that TSMC has doesn't mean Intel will have. For example, GF doesn't have the problems TSMC has with wafers. Intel has enough money to find workarounds for every problem.

Prices will also depend on AMD's strength. Intel is going to make a profit. Just how much is the question. AMD is their biggest competition and if AMD puts out expensive chips so will Intel. Same with what ATI and Nvidia have been doing all this time.

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Is it not ture the Smaller we go the Less volts we can add... And the less volts = lower oc's?
Voltage depends on Temperatures. Lower temps mean you can add more voltage. Smaller chips usually means cooler cpu, but it all depends on the chip.
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You're really not sure what point i'm trying to make. We've had thread after thread after thread about just how hard it is to make 40nm just how hard it is to make 32nm and people sincerely and desperately want to believe 22nm is coming and out of intel. They can't tell the truth about their financial position and you want me to believe their technical position. This kind of fraud met with such disbelief is only possible if you believe in some sort of innate monsterous superiority that doesn't make any sense.

Record sales. In a year when stuff like this happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gmpbsZ9H_w

The screens are flashing the blips are blipping the alarms are going off. But does it make any sense. Is it real.
Sorry to make such a short response to such a long segment that you took some time to put together, but:

The U.S. Stock Market != Intel.

Google, Apple, Microsoft, and Intel are the world's corporate giants. Why is it so hard for you to believe that they're doing so well and are progressing forward with technology? All of them have huge deals with every major retail PC manufacturer (Dell, HP, etc.) racking in some sick cash with how much of a necessity computers are in this age.

Gates said that 640K of memory is all that anybody with a computer would ever need. You're insisting that we're "stuck" and can't move forward to even smaller chips?
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 1/14/11 at 1:47pm
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You're really not sure what point i'm trying to make. We've had thread after thread after thread about just how hard it is to make 40nm just how hard it is to make 32nm and people sincerely and desperately want to believe 22nm is coming and out of intel. They can't tell the truth about their financial position and you want me to believe their technical position. This kind of fraud met with such disbelief is only possible if you believe in some sort of innate monsterous superiority that doesn't make any sense.

Record sales. In a year when stuff like this happens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gmpbsZ9H_w

The screens are flashing the blips are blipping the alarms are going off. But does it make any sense. Is it real.
... And at one point in time, there was someone like you that couldn't believe Conroe and 65nm were possible, because "130nm was so hard! and wow, I never thought they'd actually make 90nm CPUs! 65nm is impossible! The cake is a lie!"
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... And at one point in time, there was someone like you that couldn't believe Conroe and 65nm were possible, because "130nm was so hard! and wow, I never thought they'd actually make 90nm CPUs! 65nm is impossible! The cake is a lie!"
Tell me about it. I still have a couple of older 130nm Athlon XP rigs laying around (one is powering my HTPC still!). It's crazy that it's down to 22nm. Technology FTW!
    
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Gates said that 640K of memory is all that anybody with a computer would ever need. You're insisting that we're "stuck" and can't move forward to even smaller chips?
    
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Proof of what? What Gates said?
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He's pointing out that you can't believe everything someone or some company says. A lot of things can be fabricated.

On Topic. Intel does have lots of cash reserves and they make their own wafers. So problems that TSMC has doesn't mean Intel will have. For example, GF doesn't have the problems TSMC has with wafers. Intel has enough money to find workarounds for every problem.

Prices will also depend on AMD's strength. Intel is going to make a profit. Just how much is the question. AMD is their biggest competition and if AMD puts out expensive chips so will Intel. Same with what ATI and Nvidia have been doing all this time.



Voltage depends on Temperatures. Lower temps mean you can add more voltage. Smaller chips usually means cooler cpu, but it all depends on the chip.

I meant on a physics level. IINM thats the reason you can get a cpu to 5ghz and 6ghz and not be stable and load at only 30c using a chiller or phase Then when you use the exact same settings at -200c it runs perfectly stable..... IIRC What happens is Electricity flows into other channels where its not supposed to... Even though your under the tjmax you cant get stable for this reason... Right?

Edit: If you decrease the size of everything in the chip by 50% in theory it would make it 50% easier to conduct electricity improperly?
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Because look at 1366. Ivy Bridge is the replacement. A 1366 mobo + CPU is still $400+ to this day.
Unfortunately, this information is incorrect. LGA2011 is the replacement to 1366. It's been touted here more often than not.
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