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Hey everyone, I'm new here and new to overclocking. I'm currently building a budget build for some simple gaming/surfing. I really only play World of Warcraft and do some minor graphic design etc.

I made the purchase today of an AMD Phenom II x6 1090T Black Edition from newegg and would like to know if someone could either give me some tips on overclocking or point me in the right direction to start some reading.

Also I didn't go all out on the things like motherboard (which i got for christmas a while back) and I want to know how limited I will be with the mobo I have. My new setup is as follows:
  • AMD Phenom II x6 1090T Black Edition
  • Asus M4A87TD EVO Mobo
  • 8gb GSkill 1600 DDR3 Ram (Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL)
  • NVidia GTX 470 Superclocked Edition 1280Mb
  • Seagate 640gb Sata HD
  • Antec 900 Two Case
  • ZALMAN 9500A-LED 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler

I know I went cheap on some things like the mobo and ram, but like I said, it's a budget build. And I only want to overclock to maybe 3.6ghz or so. Nothing fancy, just a little boost that I can enjoy. Do you think I will notice some performance decreases from certain things?

What is going to be my biggest bottleneck here as far as performance and FPS during Wow. The card itself is capable of 100fps according to a benchmark done by Tom's Hardware. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...ce,2793-5.html

Thanks for takin the time to read, and for the responses!

P.S: I'm upgrading from a 5-year-old mobo with 3gb ddr2 800, athlon 64 x2 6000+ 3.0ghz processor, and an HD 5770.
    
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OC Guide:
http://www.overclock.net/amd-general...l-threads.html
Search around AMD forums for more info on how to OC and what not. You're setup is fantastic. G.SKill is a great brand, and the EVO mobo is also a great board. It's not the BEST board or RAM you can get, but that doesnt take away from the fact that they are great components. You won't have a bottle neck after OCing.

Enjoy.
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Thanks a ton PeaceMaker . So what would be a good OC Ghz to aim for? What would you suggest me trying to get up to. I've been trying to get this build together for 4 months or so, so it's nice to finally have it ordered. I was very skeptical about a lot of parts and kept changing things in and out.

Also quick side note: When i installed my athlon 64 6000+ with arctic silver, I used some saran wrap and spread the arctic silver around in a nice coat. Recently I read on arctic silver's website to not spread, but just leave a dot in the middle. What is your guys' outtake on that? Will it spread sufficiently on it's own or do you recommend me spreading it manually with saran wrap?
    
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I would get some VRM coolers for it. Most 1090T oc to 4.0ghz-4.2ghz.
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Thanks a ton PeaceMaker . So what would be a good OC Ghz to aim for? What would you suggest me trying to get up to. I've been trying to get this build together for 4 months or so, so it's nice to finally have it ordered. I was very skeptical about a lot of parts and kept changing things in and out.

Also quick side note: When i installed my athlon 64 6000+ with arctic silver, I used some saran wrap and spread the arctic silver around in a nice coat. Recently I read on arctic silver's website to not spread, but just leave a dot in the middle. What is your guys' outtake on that? Will it spread sufficiently on it's own or do you recommend me spreading it manually with saran wrap?
On that cooler, I'm not sure. At least 3.7ghz. 3.8 shouldnt be a problem either. Heck, you may get 4.0, but you'd have to closely monitor temps. As far as as5--use whichever method your more comfortable with. I follow manufacturer specs and put a rice sized amount on the chip. The compression of the metal on metal should spread it evenly.
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So I've been watching a lot of video's and reading up a bit. It seems since I have a BE processor, I only have to change the processor to get my desired 3.8ghz (which is pretty low compared to what I've been reading about) and the voltage? How do I know what voltage to give the CPU? I see some guys going anywhere from a 1.4250 to 1.5 within the 4.0-4.2ghz range. How do i know what is safe and optimal? I'm very excited to try this out.
    
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Hehe, I feel your excitement!
Indeed the best thermal compound spreading method is to place a pea-sized blob in the exact centre of the CPU, mount your heatsink and press down for a minute or so to allow the thermal compound to spread all over the CPU's surface. At this point try not to twist or remove the heatsink as it would break the seal and introduce air bubbles. Mount the heatsink and be happy in the knowledge that it's perfectly mounted!

You do indeed have a Black Edition processor meaning that you can overclock by just changing the CPU multiplier. Basically the motherboard has the Front Side Bus (FSB) set to 200MHz and then every component (CPU, HT, RAM, etc) has a multiplier of its own. For example, for our CPU it's 16.0x as:

200 x 16.0 = 3200 = 3.2GHz

This is the stock CPU clock speed. You can therefore just change the CPU multiplier to say, 20.0x, and you have:

200 x 20.0 = 4000 = 4.0GHz

Voila!
Of course, the catch here is voltage. As a guideline, do not exceed 1.55V as a CPU voltage for our CPU and do not exceed around 60 degrees Celsius temperature whilst all the cores are working at 100% (full load) on say, Prime95's Blend Test.

The key to a successful overclock is patience. Set all your stock values in the BIOS (i.e. 200MHz FSB, 16.0x CPU multiplier and 1.4V CPU voltage). Test out the system with Prime95's Blend Test to make sure you have no problems. Then, step by step, keep lowering the CPU voltage and testing again. When it starts crashing your system, up the voltage a bit and that's your minimum voltage for stock clock speed stability. Now up the CPU multiplier by 0.5x and test. If it's ok, up it by 0.5x more and test again. As soon as you start crashing again, top upping the CPU multiplier and up the CPU voltage instead. Do it one step and test. Do this until you're stable again. At that point, go back to upping the CPU multiplier in steps of 0.5x.

Whilst you do all this, ensure you never exceed 1.55V on your CPU voltage or 60 degrees Celsius temperature whilst Prime95 Blend Testing (full load on all cores). Oh and disable AMD Turbo Core and Cool 'n' Quiet in the BIOS. Disabling the former ensures your CPU never goes above what you have overclocked it to. Disabling the latter ensures your CPU never goes below what you have overclocked it to (as a power-saving feature). Testing in these conditions therefore tests the overclock fairly.
    
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Hey thanks for the info! Just out of curiosity, what do you have your settings like (multiplier and voltage), and to what ghz? I really appreciate the in-depth response for sure. I've also been looking into that Crosshair IV Formula: with my current motherboard, what would the advantage be of switching to the Crosshair? (refer to post 1). I don't plan on using SLI or anything more than what I have now.
    
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Hey thanks for the info! Just out of curiosity, what do you have your settings like (multiplier and voltage), and to what ghz? I really appreciate the in-depth response for sure. I've also been looking into that Crosshair IV Formula: with my current motherboard, what would the advantage be of switching to the Crosshair? (refer to post 1). I don't plan on using SLI or anything more than what I have now.
Hey, no problem!
On my previous motherboard (Asus M4A79XTD EVO) I had to set the CPU voltage to the 1.55V limit to get 4.0GHz out of the CPU (I just set the CPU multiplier to 20.0x for this but mind you, my case is spacious and very well cooled so I had no temperature issues at this voltage). Needless to say that my previous motherboard was no great overclocker.

Yesterday I received my new Asus Crosshair IV Formula and the difference is massive. I can get 4.0GHz using the CPU multiplier again with 1.459V. That's without Load Line Calibration. This feature basically sends more voltage to the CPU when you load it like during stress testing or rendering. This increase in voltage during load compesates for the decrease in voltage that naturally happens duribg load. Using Load Line Calibration I was able to run 4.0GHz on Prime95 with just 1.41V!
I also don't use Crossfire as I see no point in it. I primarily got this new motherboard for USB 3.0, SATA 6.0Gbps and of course, overclocking capability!

EDIT: Wow, typing grammatically on a phone whilst on a bus is harder than I thought!
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Yeh, thats awesome! My Evo has usb 3 and sata 6, but if I'm going to be having more trouble overclocking then it might be worth it to make the switch eventually, maybe in a couple of paychecks. We'll see how this goes. On the side note of my case, even though it's a mid-tower, it is very spacious. Thanks again for your detailed responses =]
    
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