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You used to be able to get boxed SuSE from stores, with manuals, disks, 30 day support, the works. I miss those days. SuSE (Or S.u.S.E. as it was known back then) was a commercial distro, compiled and tweaked by the supplier.
You can legally sell Linux, RHEL and SLED make a decent income from it, but you must provide the source code to anyone who asks for it, which is why there is CentOS (which is a free RHEL without the Redhat branding or the paid support contracts).
I got a copy of that with a tutorial book on how to install it...It worked great back then but I never, ever could make it so a cursor appears...

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If people had to pay for Linux, the whole system would come falling down. The whole reason this is so popular is because anyone can add to the project. We're all in this together.
Eh, depends...Make a new Ubuntu like distro for people, sell it in stores, they stay on that (And its forums, with its support, etc), it still could be helped majorly by the community and the smarter users would eventually find their way to Arch, Slackware, Gentoo, etc.


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Naw, linux could do from some good advertising. Thing is, that's gonna cost some decent money to do any competition with Windows. You can't release crappy Gieco style commercials and have people run with it, not against Apple/Microsoft.

Honestly though, who asks this question? It's free! I could say why would you sell something that's free but ******* do buy bottled water. I never could understand that, unless it's at a country that has water issues. Seriously, this is up there with selling bottled water though.
Nah, this has a tangible reason...Support, what if I can't get Linux network drivers working? Read it up, find out what to do.


While I think Windows like prices would be a big no no, charging $30 for a disc with an installation manual, the major differences between Linux and Windows and OS X, plus some common usage scenarios that show how to do certain things. (Eg. How to mark something as executable, how to make a package, how to change themes, etc.)
    
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Eh, depends...Make a new Ubuntu like distro for people, sell it in stores, they stay on that (And its forums, with its support, etc), it still could be helped majorly by the community and the smarter users would eventually find their way to Arch, Slackware, Gentoo, etc.
Why not just use Ubuntu? If you buy a Ubuntu 10.10/Fedora 14/whatever guide in a book store it comes with that distro. Buying Linux is kind of against the ethos unless you need support for commercial applications. You can do it besides though. It's just in a bookstore anymore.
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How about a little imagination or at least history all you Commies J/K J/K

RHEL, for one example, is proof of concept wherein a distro that is at it's base free, when packaged with specific use proprietary softwares is worth the price even when more than just the media. A Desktop model that worked for awhile, and even has some imitators today, was Xandros that offered a free version for download but also made available commercial packages at a few levels. The top tier came with Crossover Office and Cedega with Point to Play and a well-written massive manual as well as support. It worked.

So imagine a gaming distro with many of your favorite games all guaranteed to run with a minimum hardware spec. Would that be worth a few bux? Or one for professional recording or DJing, or that had actual Photoshop? How about if proprietary drivers for video, sound, printers, webcams, and wifi were included and just effortless? It is no longer a big attraction to me but from the number of posts in here (not to mention quitters who become lame bad-mouthers) I'd imagine there is a market which means a hole exists and a desirable service is wanted.

I most certainly wasn't blaspheming about the "end of free" so relax
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Money for an OS is not a concept a Linux user understands!
That's not much different to most Windows users. I'd say only OSX gets away without significant pirating, mostly because those who want it can afford (and desire) the platform to run it, while everyone else is just out for freebies.
    
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Cedega with Point to Play and a well-written massive manual as well as support. It worked.
Cedega exploited a flaw in Wine's licensing agreement to basically steal the hard work and effort of the Wine community.
    
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Why not just use Ubuntu? If you buy a Ubuntu 10.10/Fedora 14/whatever guide in a book store it comes with that distro. Buying Linux is kind of against the ethos unless you need support for commercial applications. You can do it besides though. It's just in a bookstore anymore.
You can buy magazines with a Live CD here in France, there are a lot of different distros available, but I've yet to see anyone buy one, I don' even know anyone who ever bought a copy of Windows, they either own prebuilts with Windows installed or pirate it
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I thought you still can buy it. As in, if you have no way of burning it to disc, or downloading it, you can buy a disc from your distro of choice and essentially pay for shipping.

I think the RHEL method is more for charging for support. But there are a few laptops/netbooks you can find with linux preinstalled.

Other than that, FOSS is always free and open source software.
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Something I am a bit excited about is that at my local bookstore it seems their stock of Linux magazines is ever increasing replacing many other computer related titles. These magazines usually feature some distro including a quick install guide and of course a Live CD.

I think it makes for great advertisement too. Anyone who browses the computer section is going to see cover after cover of Linux magazines with screenshots of the latest desktops.

I suppose it also must also follow that Linux is a hot topic in computers.. at least at this particular bookstore. They wouldn't stock what didn't sell.

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You can buy magazines with a Live CD here in France, there are a lot of different distros available, but I've yet to see anyone buy one, I don' even know anyone who ever bought a copy of Windows, they either own prebuilts with Windows installed or pirate it.
Yeah this is rather common among my friends too even though this forum would make it seem like the majority of people who build computers also buy Windows. Rather I was actually shocked when a few of my friends bought Windows 7. I know for certain it was the first time they paid for an OS. One ended up giving it to his mother though saying he didn't want her having to deal with a pirated copy. He himself uses a crack now (once again)

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That's not much different to most Windows users. I'd say only OSX gets away without significant pirating, mostly because those who want it can afford (and desire) the platform to run it, while everyone else is just out for freebies.
I think it's pirated less only because 1) OSX is not as popular as Windows and 2) Hackintosh is not straightforward or easy for many people. It certainly takes more effort than pirating Windows.
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Cedega exploited a flaw in Wine's licensing agreement to basically steal the hard work and effort of the Wine community.
They are giving all the code back now, so I don't know if it's a good thing or not. I'm guessing this has to do with DX10 coming out and DX9 going down the drain soon. They still will forever be shady in my opinion, just because they never did what they said they would do. It was real ****ty too, cause WINE would be much farther than it is now if they had kept their end of the deal.
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If people had to pay for Linux, the whole system would come falling down. The whole reason this is so popular is because anyone can add to the project. We're all in this together.
But not everyone does. A lot of big open source projects do fundraising because the people who are good enough to make a serious impact on the project's development need their expenses covered.

As for the original issue - the people who want Linux will get it off the internet, it's hard to say just how many people will buy hard copies. Perhaps distributing some sort of manual/guide with it would be a good incentive.
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