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here are some reviews
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-ge...hawk-review/14

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_460_HAWK/28.html
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6870 is very quiet, until you put fan on 100%
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Originally Posted by Yoko Littner View Post
I beleive in single gpu mode the 6870 is faster then a GTX 460.

And it uses VERY little power. and is on par with a 5850 or so..
You contradicted yourself... You say it's faster, then that it's on par with a 5850...

I have a Gigabyte GTX 460 1GB and I can safely say it's faster than a 5850, I can safely run it at 865/1730/1950 or higher, meaning I'm going past 5870 performance. 5870 is much better than a 5850, and the 460 overclocks quite a bit better than a 5850 and is much better in dual card setups.

The GTX 460 is also a better choice because with that $15 you can start saving for a good power supply, because contrary to mainstream belief, the PSU is the most important part of your computer. Your motherboard can fail, but the rate that a failure will break parts on your PC is much lower than the rate that a failed PSU will break something in your PC.
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You contradicted yourself... You say it's faster, then that it's on par with a 5850...

I have a Gigabyte GTX 460 1GB and I can safely say it's faster than a 5850, I can safely run it at 865/1730/1950 or higher, meaning I'm going past 5870 performance. 5870 is much better than a 5850, and the 460 overclocks quite a bit better than a 5850 and is much better in dual card setups.

The GTX 460 is also a better choice because with that $15 you can start saving for a good power supply, because contrary to mainstream belief, the PSU is the most important part of your computer. Your motherboard can fail, but the rate that a failure will break parts on your PC is much lower than the rate that a failed PSU will break something in your PC.
5850 beats a 460, that's safe to say.

and the 5850 can overclock just as much if not more.

I would go for the 6870, even though I hate ati drivers, you may be lucky.
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If you like red, go amd if you like green go nvidia

IMO one day physx maybe useful sometime and you may go 3d in near future
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The HD6870 is a great card and very quiet too, I can't even hear mine.
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post #27 of 38
6870 is better than a 460. If you overclock both, still the 6870 will be better. Unless your lucky with the 460 and can get 950+...Well that changes things. But still the 6870 does better at higher resolutions, i.e. 2560x1600.
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6870 is better than a 460. If you overclock both, still the 6870 will be better. Unless your lucky with the 460 and can get 950+...Well that changes things. But still the 6870 does better at higher resolutions, i.e. 2560x1600.

Clock for clock, and depending on the game, you're looking at just a handful of FPS between the two.

Some people link the 6870 with like a 1050c OC to a 890c 460, which just isn't a fair, apples-to-apples comparison.

For me, I got my 460 for nearly $50 cheaper (including the $7 S&H charge from Newegg) than the 6870 I wanted. And I'll gladly take my 920c OCCT error-free (940c game friendly) 460 any day, to save $50. If the 6870 I wanted was $20 more, it'd be no contest which one I'd choose - since the 6870 seems to be the new "king" of OC'ing.
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post #29 of 38
Benchmarks benchmarks they are just that! Because we all have different rigs in one way or another we are going to get differing results, some benches will say 6870 others will say 460.

What we really know is for performance they are about on a par, as I said, depending on the rest of the rig.

What else we really know is that they are both solid cards and worth their money when compared with other models/prices. I got my 460 for £110($170) new and it smashes every game, got a slight oc on it and it now performs better than a standard card costing nearly twice as much.

Which ever you get you will be happy.
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post #30 of 38
Your comparing a reference AMD 6870 to a non-reference GTX 460 Hawk Talon Attack isn't fair.

The reference AMD 6870 is better than the reference GTX 460 in performance in any brand. I will concur that to be very true. Crossfire over SLI even more so because AMD scales better and gets better gains on their second card.

There's a difference when you get to non-reference card like the MSI AMD 687Twin Frozr II vs the MSI GTX 460 Hawk TALON Attack and EVGA GTX 460 FTW.

The GTX 460 non-reference cards I just mentioned come heavily overclocked out of the box you could push them a little more but not by that much. The MSI AMD 6870 OC not as overclocked out of box but overclocks however safely above them even more so.

The non-reference MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon Attack and the EVGA GTX 460 FTW perform better than the non-reference AMD 6870 Twin Frozr II in single card solution.

However in two Crossfire vs SLI the non-reference AMD 6870 Twin Frozr II vs the other cards get much better performance. Again Crossfire over SLI because AMD scales better and gets better gains on their second card.

If your going as cheap as possible for reference cards on sale then definitely go with AMD 6870 and I'd go MSI or Sapphire hands down. Either single or two card solution.

If you going one single non-reference card solution go with MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon Attack or EVGA GTX 460 FTW.

If you plan on going two card solution then MSI AMD 6870 Twin Frozr II will win hands down.

Not so cut and dry after all. A lot of ways to word and compare. I'm being fair and precise.

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