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possibly the dumbest post ive seen in weeks lachen.gif



confused.gif can u say that again in english ? doh.gif

You know what I mean iam on a phone sorry for the misspell
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those sounds like some bs reasons lol.. do you even know how power phases work/affect overclocking? anything over 8+2 for a 32nm is overkill & purely marketing.. seems to be working though.. i love how people care about 16+2 vs 12+2 vs 8+2 when they're trying to OC to 5ghz on a 212+, how ironic... and they all have UEFI... gee, more USB plugs (4 vs 6) that's no reason to pay ~$40 more for a mobo... lol @ intel lan & updating bios, oh please i get the feeling you dont know what you're talking about lol.... and biostar has 3 year warranty also.. although asrock is 1 but who keeps they're computers for more than a year on OCN anyway? (jk, you get the point though)

how about some real reasons?

i'm not hating on asus p67's, just weighing the options as im about to decide on a P67 mobo myself and was wondering if people are getting suckered into paying extra for ASUS just because of warranty/brand name.. i've seen that biostar & asrock board do 5ghz easy with i5 2500k
This article can explain what I meant by having more power phases as being a good thing. I never said anything about it effecting the possible overclock. http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/artic...-Circuit/616/1

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For example, on a circuit with just two phases, the two PWM signals will be mirrored. So while phase 1 is turned on, phase 2 will be turned off and vice-versa. This will ensure that each phase will work 50% of the time. On a circuit with four phases, the PWM signals will be delayed in such way that phases will be activated in sequence: first phase 1 is activated, then phase 2, then phase 3 and then phase 4. While one phase is turned on all others are turned off. In this case, each phase will be working 25% of the time.
The more phases you have, less time each phase will be turned on. As explained earlier, this makes each phase to dissipate less heat and each transistor to work less, which provides a higher life-span to this component.
Looks like I may actually know what I am talking about.

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Replying to Digigami's post asking my reasons, here are some of my friends problems, along with some of my own, the usb ports on the back of my motherboard decide when they wanna work, my buddy imadude10, who is also a member of ocn, when he had an asus, the it just died after like a year. my friend gram had to bend the corner of his motherboard to get it to post. Although Asus customer support is fantastic, i'd rather have a brand that doesn't make me wait a month to get new hardware. I just want my PC to work the first time, which i'm not sure very many people will disagree with this last statement. I'm not saying ALL Asus motherboards are bad, just saying my Asus quality experience has been substandard to what other people have had.
One word. OUCH! I don't blaim you for avoiding Asus. It is sort of funny that everyone has had good and bad experiences with the same brands.

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possibly the dumbest post ive seen in weeks


can u say that again in english ?
Great response.


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I bought Asus only because DFI is not available.

Also I have an aversion to GB boards after watching 2 of mine go up in flames.
Another post to remind me that DFI is basically dead. I can only imagine what P67 boards they would have released.
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Gigabyte has proven in initial tests the better overclocker, hitting 4.9ghz stable with a simple voltage and multi ramp on the ud7.

Poor DFI. Actually, more like poor (literally and figuratively) DFI technicians.
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What is this q shield I see all the complaints about?
This.

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most people get asus because they always get asus.

Honestly ASUS doesn't use the same type of phases as Gigabyte. Gigabyte uses an Analogue PWM along with Driver MOSFETs, ASUS uses a Digital PWM with Lod RDS(on) MOSFETS and drivers.

ASUS's digital PWM didn't meet intel's standard for VRD 12 certification, transient responce wasn't faster enough and it wouldn't work with SVID correctly.

ALSO phase switching is nothing new to gigabyte boards, they use a separate GPIO to control Loadline equation, LLC, and phase switching. Automatically when you OC phase switching and the ability to use a single phase is turned off, BUT you can enable phase switching with a program called dynamic energy saver for gigabyte.

i think ASUS does almost the same thing for phase switching as gb. Partially controlled by PWM and then partially controlled by switching chip.

Anyways moving on, each of gigabyte's Driver MOSFETs can push 35 amps at 1.9v continuously, in tests with o-scopes and such as for the UD9 with the same 24 phase power but different PWM, they pushed over . 1500watts at 1.9v.
Edited by Sin0822 - 1/15/11 at 5:05pm
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most people get asus because they always get asus.

Honestly ASUS doesn't use the same type of phases as Gigabyte. Gigabyte uses an Analogue PWM along with Driver MOSFETs, ASUS uses a Digital PWM with Lod RDS(on) MOSFETS and drivers.

ASUS's digital PWM didn't meet intel's standard for VRD 12 certification, transient responce wasn't faster enough and it wouldn't work with SVID correctly.

ALSO phase switching is nothing new to gigabyte boards, they use a separate GPIO to control Loadline equation, LLC, and phase switching. Automatically when you OC phase switching and the ability to use a single phase is turned off, BUT you can enable phase switching with a program called dynamic energy saver for gigabyte.

i think ASUS does almost the same thing for phase switching as gb. Partially controlled by PWM and then partially controlled by switching chip.

Anyways moving on, each of gigabyte's Driver MOSFETs can push 35 amps at 1.9v continuously, in tests with o-scopes and such as for the UD9 with the same 24 phase power but different PWM, they pushed over . 1500watts at 1.9v.
so you are obviously saying that GB is better and I am not disagreeing as I only got the pro because it was 50$ cheaper at microcenter than the ud4 was. That being said does the p8p67s really overclock worse? doesnt seem so
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no it doesn't. i didn't say GB was better its just my preference. but ASUS dropped the ball with power delivery and IDK why, maybe digital sounds better and is better for marketing, and then when they found out with doesn't meet Intel spec they decided to just use it anyways. The thing is yes you don't get the power delivery features of the gigabyte board, but it has decent power delivery like GB so that it wont hinder your OC.

other board with so many less phases might when trying to go over 5ghz.
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This.

what is so bad with the q-shield, i have owned so many asus board with that i/o shield there is nothing wrong with it.
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no it doesn't. i didn't say GB was better its just my preference. but ASUS dropped the ball with power delivery and IDK why, maybe digital sounds better and is better for marketing, and then when they found out with doesn't meet Intel spec they decided to just use it anyways. The thing is yes you don't get the power delivery features of the gigabyte board, but it has decent power delivery like GB so that it wont hinder your OC.

other board with so many less phases might when trying to go over 5ghz.
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ASUS DIGI+ VRM is an innovative, industry-leading technology that fully integrates Intel® VRD12 specifications on a native level, greatly enhancing power to go far beyond the limits of analog designs.
Do you have a link to show where it doesn't meet VRD12 spec?
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what is so bad with the q-shield, i have owned so many asus board with that i/o shield there is nothing wrong with it.
This. You just press the corners into the case until it pops in. Then you put the motherboard in the case and it lines up perfectly.

ASUS Q-shield is basically the same as the EVGA I/O shield.
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