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Poll Results: In light of EK's nickel failure, will you buy their blocks?

 
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    Yes, continue or consider using their blocks (copper or nickel)
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    No, I will look into other manufacturers.
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post #1091 of 1650
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Originally Posted by DirectOverkill View Post
@glancey

with so much knowledge and confidence you speak with, I would be one of your first customers
Good to hear it. I promise you I wont be employing blind monkeys @ QC who cant see when a block doesn't have an inlet port either.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
As far as I am aware, every manufacturer SUGGESTS to use something to prevent corrosion.

EK isn't telling you to be brand loyal. They're just saying that you should go out of your way to protect your investment. How is that a bad thing that Eddy wants you to be RESPONSIBLE in how you treat your cooling system. I think people are seriously blowing this all out of proportion. If you've been affected then you have the room for your nose to be bent out of joint. You paid the money after all and you expect a reasonable product for what you spent. But if you're miffed at Eddy because his communication skills with the Queen's English is worse than a 5th graders and he's not saying it verbatim to how you would say it, then I think it's time to back off.

Nobody got poisoned. Nobody died. Systems are being taken care of and EK has stated that they will cover the faulty products.

I remember when I first became a member of OCN and people were like "ohnoz EK is too spendy eek" to "I bought my EK stuff thru Ebay because I can't pay that much retail" You people DO know that Ebay is a knock off artists wet dream right? Now I'm not saying that every nickel issue is due to knock off artists but think about it, if some less than savory characters knock off a product and buy the knocked off unit and then sent it back or floated it as new on EBay with EK boxing you probably wouldn't notice the difference until it's too late. Then you blame EK and Eddy for his product being "trash", too expensive and "ohnoz now prices are gonna go up to reflect the new process ack!"

There are plenty of people who haven't had issue one with EK products. And just so people know I'm not judging EBay. But I'm not naive enough to think that knock off artists don't comprise over 70% of the sales currently being done on that site.

~Ceadder
My main reason for staying away from EK's nickel products for the time being is to ensure that the new plating process solves the problem. There was evidence that the machining and purity of the copper could have be contributors and they shouldn't affect the new process, but I can't be sure.

I see now that they do only suggest corrosion inhibitors but I was kind of expecting something that officially releases their ban:

Quote:
Therefore until further notice EK Water Blocks Company recommends, not to use distilled water silver in the loop in combination with nickel-plated blocks, nor additives based on Copper Sulphate.



EK recommends only coolants with anticorrosion additive, although our internal test systems of pure distilled water have been found without any problem in 2 months test period. EK Team would like to ask you to kindly spread this information as we would like our users to continue having excellent experiences with EK products.
On another note:

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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
I think that Eddy is in really dire need of a translator who can use common sense to formulate a grammatically correct sentence. I don't know about you but when I see "workplace" where "surface" should be, I find myself rubbing my eyes and having to look at it again to make sure I'm reading it correctly.

Not that I'm judging the obvious gap in communication, but it's clear to me that a good lot of the issues before Eddy is due in large part to bad translation software and lack of knowledge to how specific words are applied.

~Ceadder
It says "workpiece."

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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Apparently you haven't kept up with that thread Glancey ole bean. OPs' issue was taken care of to his satisfaction and he didn't pay any shipping for the RMA.

Keep up please it would make for a better debate if you were up to speed.

Oh and BTW, Hank is the owner of PPCs' and in my experience he's a stand up guy. Pick error sent me a block that cost $20 more than what I paid for my Classified block which is no longer available. I got it on sale. I had issues with all six of my fittings. Hank asked for a pic which I provided. He contacted Eddy to apprise him of the situation and get further recommendation. Later that day I had a PDF file with USPS ground shipping.

Not only did he make good on the fittings sending me 6 replacements, He swapped out the shiny nickel ez mount kit for Black Nickel kit and provided me with 4.5ft of PrimoChill UV White tubing and paid the the expense to get it to me without first making sure I had shipped.

If I wasn't on the up an up I would not only have had the Classified Block, but would have had the HF Supreme Red block I originally got 6 extra fittings and there wouldn't have been thing one Hank could have done about it. But not only did he give me the benefit of the doubt he spent more than he would have lost had he let me keep the first block. After everything was said and done he was out roughly $50 in product shipping and return shipping.

Now I would advise you to be a bit more open minded in the future. Cynicism doesn't become anyone and it's rather annoying to be poo poo'ed over my experience. I don't know what your experience is working with Hank, but it seems to me you're basing your bias against all parties involved on a limited pool of information.

It must be nice to be perfect and speak flawless german so you can sit in judgement. I wouldn't mind buying your perfect never have issue blocks. Then I don't even have to sweat ever buying a shiny nickel Full Coverage block from Eddy.

~Ceadder
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
As far as I am aware, every manufacturer SUGGESTS to use something to prevent corrosion.

EK isn't telling you to be brand loyal. They're just saying that you should go out of your way to protect your investment. How is that a bad thing that Eddy wants you to be RESPONSIBLE in how you treat your cooling system. I think people are seriously blowing this all out of proportion. If you've been affected then you have the room for your nose to be bent out of joint. You paid the money after all and you expect a reasonable product for what you spent. But if you're miffed at Eddy because his communication skills with the Queen's English is worse than a 5th graders and he's not saying it verbatim to how you would say it, then I think it's time to back off.

Nobody got poisoned. Nobody died. Systems are being taken care of and EK has stated that they will cover the faulty products.

I remember when I first became a member of OCN and people were like "ohnoz EK is too spendy eek" to "I bought my EK stuff thru Ebay because I can't pay that much retail" You people DO know that Ebay is a knock off artists wet dream right? Now I'm not saying that every nickel issue is due to knock off artists but think about it, if some less than savory characters knock off a product and buy the knocked off unit and then sent it back or floated it as new on EBay with EK boxing you probably wouldn't notice the difference until it's too late. Then you blame EK and Eddy for his product being "trash", too expensive and "ohnoz now prices are gonna go up to reflect the new process ack!"

There are plenty of people who haven't had issue one with EK products. And just so people know I'm not judging EBay. But I'm not naive enough to think that knock off artists don't comprise over 70% of the sales currently being done on that site.

~Ceadder
I don't really understand the flip flopping between almost bashing and supporting Eddy's ability to write in english. Yes, there are some grammatical errors and misspellings but I think most people can understand the general ideas he is trying to convey.
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I can 100% assure you that if I ever went in to the waterblock manufacturing business my blocks wouldn't break in pure H20, rofl.
All I can say is you obviously don't understand plating issues. You cannot guarantee that your blocks wouldn't "break" in pure H20. In fact as far as I am aware of they didn't break in straight h2o. Werm was using silver killcoil in his as well as Distilled.

And also you cannot get away from multiple metals in a loop. Most blocks are Copper yes. But then you have those people that have to have their Gold, the ones that have to have their Shiny Nickel and those(like myself) that have to have their Copper. Problem is manufacturers are using Brass for their fittings and for their Radiator bungs. Oh you can minimize it as best as you can, but there is no guarantee you won't be mixing something someplace. The real issue however is not mixing metals. It's mixing a combination of Aluminum and Heat with those metals that cause corrosion in a loop more often than not.

Also, just to give you a heads up. I tend to expound on the thoughts that come to mind and address everyone as well as the person I am conversing with. I'm a bit of an Entertainer and what kind of Entertainer would I be if I didn't include the audience in the bit?

As far as metals go, I've got some experience with metals outside of water cooling as I've taken my shop courses as well as grown up around a machine shop a Master Electrician and a hoppy wood shop that filled a 2 car garage with lathes, Presses, Mills and Table equipment. I'm fully aware of what's at stake.

My point was that there are a lot of people egging this issue on. It's dealt with. Let it go and move on. The issues that have occurred weren't in the hundreds. It's okay to be informed. It's even okay to buy from some other manufacturer. That's your prerogative since it's your money. $1 or $1 million should not matter to anyone but you. You're the one that has to live with the results after all. As I tried explaining earlier I think that part of what drove Eddy's stance on this is that he's gotten some knockoffs at some point or other and wasn't in a hurry to trust anybody.

Some time ago I related where someone had done a knock off of a Red Jacket AK and it was returned to RJ for some warranty work. You get big, some unscrupulous people will try to make a buck off your work. It wouldn't surprise me at all if people are running around with knock off EK gear and don't even know it.

My only issue is how Eddy and EK can do no right. If you did your due diligence before you build your loop, you can avoid most of the issues. That's why I have no problems using EK gear where I can afford to. I'm not going to be using an EK Radiator because they're too thick for the window of my 932. Other than that I'm pretty much using EK. Copper where I can of course.

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My main reason for staying away from EK's nickel products for the time being is to ensure that the new plating process solves the problem. There was evidence that the machining and purity of the copper could have be contributors and they shouldn't affect the new process, but I can't be sure.

I see now that they do only suggest corrosion inhibitors but I was kind of expecting something that officially releases their ban:



On another note:



It says "workpiece."





I don't really understand the flip flopping between almost bashing and supporting Eddy's ability to write in english. Yes, there are some grammatical errors and misspellings but I think most people can understand the general ideas he is trying to convey.
Wasn't picking on Eddy. Was just stating that in a matter of fact way about how some people have(check the Gold HF thread for instances of this) started in on his language skills because he made the mistake of calling out OP on a grammatical faux pas. I do try to give every side time in my arguments.

Thanks for clearing that workpiece/workplace issue up. Eyeballs must've been glazed or something for me to read it as workplace. Still if you look at the context, even workpiece is incorrect. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying that he could use a better translator

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All I can say is you obviously don't understand plating issues. You cannot guarantee that your blocks wouldn't "break" in pure H20. In fact as far as I am aware of they didn't break in straight h2o. Werm was using silver killcoil in his as well as Distilled.
You clearly don't understand.. good god.

Yes, I can. I would be 100% confident that my nickel plated blocks will never look like EK's. Do you see other manufacturers with the same problem?

There's bad plating, and there's good plating. The bottom line well plated blocks like those from -insert every block manufacturer here- do not have this issue and badly plated blocks from EK do.

It. Is. Not. Difficult.

You don't need good contacts or a super special, top of the line, ultra new, proprietary plating process and a plater with a Masters in auto catalystic science.

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And also you cannot get away from multiple metals in a loop. *snip* It's mixing a combination of Aluminum
Give me a break. What did you think I meant?

The way you talk about all this mixing of noble metals you make it sound like it means something. Copper, brass, silver and nickel are all 100% OK. They do not react with each other period. Galvanic corrosion occurs when you go and throw some non noble metal in to the mix, for example aluminum.

The most logical explaination of EK's issue is due to how the plating is pourous, exposing microscopic areas of cop-

You know what. Forget it. It doesn't matter what facts I present you with you'll still blindly defend Eddy.. He's just a good old stand up guy, like Hank, after all.. Rofl.

The issue is integrity, trust, and Eddy's manner of addressing the situation. None of this is his fault, it's ours.. for using silver coils.. distilled water.. whatever the crock of **** was that was used as an excuse. It's disgraceful.

Anyway, we don't even know the issue is truly solved. I wouldn't be surprised if their electroless plating is just as rubbish as their standard electro plating.
Edited by Glancey - 7/22/11 at 9:38am
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All I can say is you obviously don't understand plating issues. You cannot guarantee that your blocks wouldn't "break" in pure H20. In fact as far as I am aware of they didn't break in straight h2o. Werm was using silver killcoil in his as well as Distilled.

And also you cannot get away from multiple metals in a loop. Most blocks are Copper yes. But then you have those people that have to have their Gold, the ones that have to have their Shiny Nickel and those(like myself) that have to have their Copper. Problem is manufacturers are using Brass for their fittings and for their Radiator bungs. Oh you can minimize it as best as you can, but there is no guarantee you won't be mixing something someplace. The real issue however is not mixing metals. It's mixing a combination of Aluminum and Heat with those metals that cause corrosion in a loop more often than not.



My point was that there are a lot of people egging this issue on. It's dealt with. Let it go and move on. The issues that have occurred weren't in the hundreds. It's okay to be informed. It's even okay to buy from some other manufacturer. That's your prerogative since it's your money. $1 or $1 million should not matter to anyone but you. You're the one that has to live with the results after all. As I tried explaining earlier I think that part of what drove Eddy's stance on this is that he's gotten some knockoffs at some point or other and wasn't in a hurry to trust anybody.


My only issue is how Eddy and EK can do no right. If you did your due diligence before you build your loop, you can avoid most of the issues. That's why I have no problems using EK gear where I can afford to. I'm not going to be using an EK Radiator because they're too thick for the window of my 932. Other than that I'm pretty much using EK. Copper where I can of course.

~Ceadder
So you too are blaming silver in a loop? You have little insight about plating as brass is used in plating all the time with no issues and will not react like that in the presence of copper . As for your knock off idea,a knock off would have better machining....and plating.
Plating falls off when it has not created the 'shell' to stop the water getting in to contact with the copper thus starting the reaction.
Poor Plating is Poor.
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Is he going backwards now and is expunging himself of what we all know about EK and nickel? How is that possible?
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lol, I didn't get squat from EK support. I sold all my blocks for the exception of the mb block before EK announced they were taking care of all aspects of the rma process. The reason I can't rma the mb block is that I purchased preowned and in actuality, this one had the least nickel corrosion and its near damn hard to sell it. I might just strip it or replate it.

If I do go back to EK, I'm going to raise a storm to get some sort of discount for all the $hI7 they made me go through and the huge hit I took on selling these defective products. They probably know who I am by know
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lol, I didn't get squat from EK support. I sold all my blocks for the exception of the mb block before EK announced they were taking care of all aspects of the rma process. The reason I can't rma the mb block is that I purchased preowned and in actuality, this one had the least nickel corrosion and its near damn hard to sell it. I might just strip it or replate it.

If I do go back to EK, I'm going to raise a storm to get some sort of discount for all the $hI7 they made me go through and the huge hit I took on selling these defective products. They probably know who I am by know
Good luck with that I feel hell freezing over first
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