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Poll Results: In light of EK's nickel failure, will you buy their blocks?

 
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    Yes, continue or consider using their blocks (copper or nickel)
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    No, I will look into other manufacturers.
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You and your ice
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You and your ice
Bite me it is 41C here!
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It's not hard to get stuff milled in STEEL to be almost perfect, let alone copper.
Copper is softer than Steel. It's one of the reasons that they stopped using it to make weapons once Iron was more readily available. I can't believe anyone with any real knowledge of the two metals can even suggest something like this. The reason Steel isn't widely used if at all is because Copper is a better metal for heat dispersion. That's how Revereware became so popular back when they first started in business.

All these people telling me to check out links to prove EK is a bad Company, but not one of you actually read the important things like Copper is a soft metal and harder to mill? Really?

Oh and point of interest, I saw the pics of the work provided by the machinist that built a carbon fiber roof for the Subie. I don't know if anyone saw it but I saw milling marks on the steel. I'm not stating this to make light of anybody's work. I'm pointing this out because you get milling marks when you mill. My uncle's business is remanufacturing of Cranks Cams Lifters Flywheels etc. Ever seen a milled flywheel? I have.

You'll have tool marks regardless. The only way to get around this is to cool the metal below freezing(using dry ice)to harden the surface, putting it on a lathe and using fine grit paper on it. It doesn't have to be a mirror shine but it has to allow oil to flow between the surface and the bearing that is seated in the block. Oh but wait we're talking about a CPU block that you cannot put on a lathe to polish to remove the tool marks.

But yeah all the machinists are correct.It's not hard to get stuff milled in steel. You can mill in aluminum but you still cannot get around tool marks unless it's cast.

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Just so you know..the tool marks have nothing to do with how hard or soft the metal is ;
1-dull/cheap end mill
2-wrong RPM/Feed
3-skipping=> finishing operation/cut to save time/money
4-poorly leveled machine
5-sucky machinist
6-all the above
Edited by coolhandluke41 - 7/23/11 at 5:34pm
    
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Copper is softer than Steel. It's one of the reasons that they stopped using it to make weapons once Iron was more readily available. I can't believe anyone with any real knowledge of the two metals can even suggest something like this. The reason Steel isn't widely used if at all is because Copper is a better metal for heat dispersion. That's how Revereware became so popular back when they first started in business.

All these people telling me to check out links to prove EK is a bad Company, but not one of you actually read the important things like Copper is a soft metal and harder to mill? Really?

Oh and point of interest, I saw the pics of the work provided by the machinist that built a carbon fiber roof for the Subie. I don't know if anyone saw it but I saw milling marks on the steel. I'm not stating this to make light of anybody's work. I'm pointing this out because you get milling marks when you mill. My uncle's business is remanufacturing of Cranks Cams Lifters Flywheels etc. Ever seen a milled flywheel? I have.

You'll have tool marks regardless. The only way to get around this is to cool the metal below freezing(using dry ice)to harden the surface, putting it on a lathe and using fine grit paper on it. It doesn't have to be a mirror shine but it has to allow oil to flow between the surface and the bearing that is seated in the block. Oh but wait we're talking about a CPU block that you cannot put on a lathe to polish to remove the tool marks.

But yeah all the machinists are correct.It's not hard to get stuff milled in steel. You can mill in aluminum but you still cannot get around tool marks unless it's cast.

~Ceadder
The cnc work I've seen... you can see the mill work, but you can't feel it. With ek crap, you can see it and feel it. It's atrocious.

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Just so you know..the tool marks have nothing to do with how hard or soft the metal is ;
1-dull/cheap end mill
2-wrong RPM/Feed
3-skipping=> finishing operation/cut to save time/money
4-poorly leveled machine
5-sucky machinist
6-all the above
The mill on the ek blocks, it's obvious that it can't even keep y-axis steady which is why it can't plane to save itself.

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They aren't milling imperfections, they're EK Micro Fins and they increase the blocks cooling potential.
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Just so you know..the tool marks have nothing to do with how hard or soft the metal is ;
1-dull/cheap end mill
2-wrong RPM/Feed
3-skipping=> finishing operation/cut to save time/money
4-poorly leveled machine
5-sucky machinist
6-all the above
QFT.
He must be after freebies,its the only reason why he is defending the awful finish on these blocks.....doesnt defend the poor plating....missed holes on acetal mobo blocks.....cracking res's....the wrong advice given as to invalidate the warranty....and abysmal CS....
Anything i have missed?

All these problems that other MFR's seem to overcome...without blaming the enduser.
Edited by B NEGATIVE - 7/24/11 at 12:54am
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QFT.
He must be after freebies,its the only reason why he is defending the awful finish on these blocks.....doesnt defend the poor plating....missed holes on acetal mobo blocks.....cracking res's....the wrong advice given as to invalidate the warranty....and abysmal CS....
Anything i have missed?

All these problems that other MFR's seem to overcome...without blaming the enduser.
What? I'm not defending anything. Just saying. People talk out their butts when they say things about Steel compared to Copper. The blocks aren't milled out of Steel are they? No. Are they forged? No. Are they cast? No?

You can take that "freebie" argument and flush it because it don't float. And if it did it stinks like a floater in a convenience store bathroom.

I'm not defending, just pointing out the OBVIOUS flaws in the argument about how Steel is so easy to mill. Of course it is, it's folded iron.

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Assuming a milled block has not been "polished" well, you can typically see circular mill marks. Even on a well polished and sanded block, you can sometimes still see faint milling marks. Like someone else pointed out, this is different from from EK's "milling." With some of the blocks, you can also FEEL the milling.
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I'm not defending
Dude, just stop. Almost every singe post you've made has been an attempt to absolve EK of some level of responsibility, directly or indirectly.

So bloody tiring.

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The milling marks really aren't all that. It's not perfect, but the only way to truly get "perfect" is to cast the blocks and plate them
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I'm certain that there is an imbalance in the mill shaft and not due to user ineptitude.
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not one of you actually read the important things like Copper is a soft metal and harder to mill? Really?
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You cannot guarantee that your blocks wouldn't "break" in pure H20. In fact as far as I am aware of they didn't break in straight h2o. Werm was using silver killcoil in his as well as Distilled.
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Nobody got poisoned. Nobody died. Systems are being taken care of and EK has stated that they will cover the faulty products.
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Well it's possible that they aren't making them and they aren't selling them but it's not been pulled offline yet. Some sites take awhile to update, for whatever reason.
That's only going back a few pages.
Edited by Glancey - 7/24/11 at 6:09pm
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