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Poll Results: In light of EK's nickel failure, will you buy their blocks?

 
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    Yes, continue or consider using their blocks (copper or nickel)
  • 60% (354)
    No, I will look into other manufacturers.
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post #1131 of 1650
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Originally Posted by Glancey View Post
Dude, just stop. Almost every singe post you've made has been an attempt to absolve EK of some level of responsibility, directly or indirectly.

So bloody tiring.

That's only going back a few pages.
Cite it then. So far all you've got is me pointing out blatantly OBVIOUS flaws in y'alls assertions that you know wth you're talking about. So? C'mon we ain't got all day. Show me where I directly stood up for Eddy and EK saying they didn't do anything wrong.

Don't worry I'll wait.

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Please note that I said said directly or indirectly.

Let me reword these quotes... maybe you're doing it without even realising.

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The milling marks really aren't all that. It's not perfect, but the only way to truly get "perfect" is to cast the blocks and plate them

It's not their fault there are so many tooling marks, it's impossible to avoid without casting.
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I'm certain that there is an imbalance in the mill shaft and not due to user ineptitude.

It's not their fault that there's an imbalance in the mill shaft
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not one of you actually read the important things like Copper is a soft metal and harder to mill? Really?

It's not their fault there are so many tooling marks... copper is impossible to mill without imperfections
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You cannot guarantee that your blocks wouldn't "break" in pure H20. In fact as far as I am aware of they didn't break in straight h2o. Werm was using silver killcoil in his as well as Distilled.

It's not their fault their blocks failed, Werm used a silver coil.
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Nobody got poisoned. Nobody died. Systems are being taken care of and EK has stated that they will cover the faulty products.

EK is taking care of everyone and is doing the right thing.
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Well it's possible that they aren't making them and they aren't selling them but it's not been pulled offline yet. Some sites take awhile to update, for whatever reason.

Even though they said they would pull all sales of nickel products it's not their fault they never actually stopped selling them.
post #1133 of 1650
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Please note that I said said directly or indirectly.

Let me reword these quotes... maybe you're doing it without even realizing.
Maybe you shouldn't put words in my mouth instead.

People make mistakes. That is all I've ever implied(might that be the word you're looking for?) from the very beginning.

But hey if it makes you feel all warm fuzzy and superior...

What I meant by nobody got poisoned, was there was a fast food chain that gave people Ptomaine poisoning many years ago. A child even died as a result of it. That's how people are acting about the EK blocks. It's okay to not like EK. I don't expect anybody to.

Did they mess up? Hell yes they did. Never EVER implied they didn't.

I just find it laughable how many professional Machinists' OCN has where EK is concerned. Comparing steel to copper in milling is a joke. And a comparison that I would like people to stop trying to make because it's not valid.

If I'm standing for anything it's having a valid argument if you're going to talk about the manufacturing process. Like having a citeable reference where a manufacturer mills copper blocks and comparing those to EKs'. Now THAT is reasonable and all I'm asking or implying.

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Watercool....aquacomputer.....have you seen the finish on these MFR's blocks? EK doesnt even come close.....
Milling copper has a different mill technique,i agree the comparison with steel is not valid.
Copper needs to be milled slowly with plenty of cooling,it does dull bits purely by clagging the cutting edge,this is comparable more with alu than steel.
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Please note that I said said directly or indirectly.

Let me reword these quotes... maybe you're doing it without even realising.
BTW, you can drop the "It's not their fault" bit from your understanding of my thought process.

Quote 1) If there is a better process when cooling channels are in the middle of the block, lemme know. Still didn't even imply there was zero fault. I'm satisfied with my block. It's not like I'm going to open it while coolant is flowing just to show off the copper. I highly doubt anyone else would either.

Quote 2) I can spot unbalanced wear. It's not that difficult. If it's the person on the machine there will be an even scoring in the material. This is obviously done by CNC and while it's not an issue for me, people with severe OCD bordering on the "As good as it gets" level will have a problem with it. So I would suggest that Eddy have it checked out. It would be EKs' fault for the machine not operating properly at it's optimal potential.

Hope this got cleared up.

Quote 3)I think I've covered this enough. Steel to copper comparison = Invalid.

Quote 4)You're completely misreading my intent there. Somebody inferred that werm was only using straight water in his loop. Point of fact that I was clearing up was that it wasn't straight water. In fact it was distilled/Killcoil. On top of that I was actually siding against Eddy in this regard. Reread it again if you don't believe me.

Quote 5) Is only partly correct. While it might have taken some prodding to get him here Eddy is taking care of things. However, on a case by case basis. Is there room for improvement in this regard? Enough to fill Crater Lake. But it's getting there. Sadly not on your timetable.

Quote 6) Websites don't update immediately. And in fact if you go back to EKs' site they say they are STILL selling them and will give full warranty service should corrosion happen within the two year warranty period on their blocks. Now while this isn't exactly what people had in mind, he like you an me has the right to amend his stance regarding whether to sell or to not sell. Was only pointing out that it takes time for some things to be updated on webpages.

Try reading as written instead of reading and assuming. Might help your comprehension issue.

Hope this cleared it all up. If not it's "not EK's fault."

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*snip*

Guys, lets take a chill pill. Bottom line, EK's products were, are, and maybe will be low quality than what many expected. As for the future, I'm sure someone will buy a block or two to inspect their revised manufacturing results. Then, we'll hold our thoughts when the results show. I want people who don't understand what's going on with EK products to read this thread and enlightened themselves. Lets no saturate this with debacles on how a something should be done.
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Quote 1) If there is a better process when cooling channels are in the middle of the block, lemme know. Still didn't even imply there was zero fault. I'm satisfied with my block. It's not like I'm going to open it while coolant is flowing just to show off the copper. I highly doubt anyone else would either.
No one ever mentioned the cooling channels. Bad milling. You are trying to partially relieve EK of blame by stating that it's OK to have milling marks like that because the only way to avoid them is by casting. This is untrue. Other manufacturers seem to manage this somehow..

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Quote 2) I can spot unbalanced wear. It's not that difficult. If it's the person on the machine there will be an even scoring in the material. This is obviously done by CNC and while it's not an issue for me, people with severe OCD bordering on the "As good as it gets" level will have a problem with it. So I would suggest that Eddy have it checked out. It would be EKs' fault for the machine not operating properly at it's optimal potential.
So, you're now saying that it is due to user ineptitude and that it is their fault?


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Quote 3)I think I've covered this enough. Steel to copper comparison = Invalid.
Again, did I mention steel? No. I never have for this exact reason.. The steel copper comparison is a moot point anyway, it always was a moot point. Copper can be processed without tooling marks to the extent seen in EK blocks. End. Of. Story. Why argue that at all? An attempt to absolve EK of blame.

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Quote 4)You're completely misreading my intent there. Somebody inferred that werm was only using straight water in his loop. Point of fact that I was clearing up was that it wasn't straight water. In fact it was distilled/Killcoil. On top of that I was actually siding against Eddy in this regard. Reread it again if you don't believe me.
Siding against Eddy, news to me because I don't see it. You incorrectly stated I don't understand the plating issue. You incorrectly stated it's impossible to guarantee the health of a waterblock in pure h20. You also, for some reason, tried to tell everyone that BRASS IS A PROBLEM. Rofl.

You're diverting from the point, again, with this silver coil argument. The blocks shouldn't be failing like that silver coil or not. Why bring it up at all? Oh yeah, an attempt to partially absolve EK of blame. Them silver coils, dangerous things.

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Quote 5) Is only partly correct. While it might have taken some prodding to get him here Eddy is taking care of things. However, on a case by case basis. Is there room for improvement in this regard? Enough to fill Crater Lake. But it's getting there. Sadly not on your timetable.
What, are you replying to your own quote here? Going back on your words again? Nice touch with the personal insult too, smooth. Self defense mechanism maybe?

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Quote 6) Websites don't update immediately. And in fact if you go back to EKs' site they say they are STILL selling them and will give full warranty service should corrosion happen within the two year warranty period on their blocks. Now while this isn't exactly what people had in mind, he like you an me has the right to amend his stance regarding whether to sell or to not sell. Was only pointing out that it takes time for some things to be updated on webpages.
Rofl, you have no idea how the internet works. Websites dont update immediately? Of course they do. What, do you think the world wide web master has to hand check every new page or edit? Give me a break. I work on a 2500+ page website every day. When I change a single page and reupload it to the ftp the visible result is INSTANT. When I change each and every one of those 2500 pages and reup to the fpt the visible result is instant.

It's much easier for EK as their store is almost certainly database driven. Delete or move a few records and bam, nickel products gone. It. Is. Very. Simple.

So you have limited knowledge in this area and you still chose to use it as a way to forgive EK for not following through with their promise.. another attempt to absolve EK of the responsibility.

Edit:

Quote:
Originally Posted by wermad View Post

Guys, lets take a chill pill. Bottom line, EK's products were, are, and maybe will be low quality than what many expected. As for the future, I'm sure someone will buy a block or two to inspect their revised manufacturing results. Then, we'll hold our thoughts when the results show. I want people who don't understand what's going on with EK products to read this thread and enlightened themselves. Lets no saturate this with debacles on how a something should be done.


Must have been on this page for a while before posting as I didn't see this. I agree... somewhat. So I'll leave it there. I feel like I'm arguing with a 5 year old trying to convince himself he said duck instead of cussing.

Edited by Glancey - 7/25/11 at 2:58am
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This thread has gone awry long time ago
Ppl now fighting over something that has no connection at all with problem.
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No one ever mentioned the cooling channels. Bad milling. You are trying to partially relieve EK of blame by stating that it's OK to have milling marks like that because the only way to avoid them is by casting. This is untrue. Other manufacturers seem to manage this somehow..



So, you're now saying that it is due to user ineptitude and that it is their fault?




Again, did I mention steel? No. I never have for this exact reason.. The steel copper comparison is a moot point anyway, it always was a moot point. Copper can be processed without tooling marks to the extent seen in EK blocks. End. Of. Story. Why argue that at all? An attempt to absolve EK of blame.



Siding against Eddy, news to me because I don't see it. You incorrectly stated I don't understand the plating issue. You incorrectly stated it's impossible to guarantee the health of a waterblock in pure h20. You also, for some reason, tried to tell everyone that BRASS IS A PROBLEM. Rofl.

You're diverting from the point, again, with this silver coil argument. The blocks shouldn't be failing like that silver coil or not. Why bring it up at all? Oh yeah, an attempt to partially absolve EK of blame. Them silver coils, dangerous things.



What, are you replying to your own quote here? Going back on your words again? Nice touch with the personal insult too, smooth. Self defense mechanism maybe?



Rofl, you have no idea how the internet works. Websites dont update immediately? Of course they do. What, do you think the world wide web master has to hand check every new page or edit? Give me a break. I work on a 2500+ page website every day. When I change a single page and reupload it to the ftp the visible result is INSTANT. When I change each and every one of those 2500 pages and reup to the fpt the visible result is instant.

It's much easier for EK as their store is almost certainly database driven. Delete or move a few records and bam, nickel products gone. It. Is. Very. Simple.

So you have limited knowledge in this area and you still chose to use it as a way to forgive EK for not following through with their promise.. another attempt to absolve EK of the responsibility.

Edit:



Must have been on this page for a while before posting as I didn't see this. I agree... somewhat. So I'll leave it there. I feel like I'm arguing with a 5 year old trying to convince himself he said duck instead of cussing.
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Dude you are in serious need of some comprehension lessons. You got MAYBE a tenth of what you think I said right.

Bad form for going into this and then ending saying "musta been on page 5 in deference to werms post. Don't PM me cause I'm now gonna ignore you. You're spoiling for a fight and you've taken things so far out of context that you don't know which way is up and which way is down. I'll let my statements speak for themselves to anyone whose head isn't firmly planted up their cheeks.

My apologies werm. I'm done.

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Glancey,I read it the same way. Ceadderman doesnt know what he is talking about. End of
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4970k Z97 Gryphon GTX 680 x2 Crucial Ballistix Elite 16Gb 
PowerCase
Be Quiet Dark Power 850 InWin D Frame Mini 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 4770k ASUS Impact ITX R9 290 Gskill Trident 2400 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCase
Samsung EV0 250 x2 WD black Loop.....oh yes...... Caselabs S3....modded 
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