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Poll Results: In light of EK's nickel failure, will you buy their blocks?

 
  • 39% (231)
    Yes, continue or consider using their blocks (copper or nickel)
  • 60% (354)
    No, I will look into other manufacturers.
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post #1151 of 1650
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Originally Posted by B NEGATIVE View Post
Source?

RRT paid over $900 for those test and they are exact. The results are unquestionable. The grading is exactly what EK claimed to have.

tsm106=the third....
I must say that I was rather impressed at their initiative. The money came from the pockets of the forum members and the blocks to be tested were sent to a lab that is ISO 17025 certified (I don't know what that means but perhaps you guys do? Sounds legit to me though).

Here's the link again to read through the final test results.

http://www.realredraider.com/vbullet...ad.php?t=48167
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I must say that I was rather impressed at their initiative. The money came from the pockets of the forum members and the blocks to be tested were sent to a lab that is ISO 17025 certified (I don't know what that means but perhaps you guys do? Sounds legit to me though).

Here's the link again to read through the final test results.

http://www.realredraider.com/vbullet...ad.php?t=48167
Good tests from some good guys. People always claim that RRT is a biased forum of trolls only out to slander a certain group of people, manufacturer or reseller. I think this test shows they aren't. All that matters is the truth.
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I am all for independent tests. In the RRTech case, the guys there generally are not big fans of EK but their tests showed EK was going good quality source material (portraying EK in a better light then was in their best interest to do). Independent tests. Not sure what more you can ask for? I don't know a ton about plating and such so I cannot speak on those matters. EK says they found the problem and are addressing it with a different plating technique which tells us the old method was not up to par. What is the debate about?
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I am all for independent tests. In the RRTech case, the guys there generally are not big fans of EK but their tests showed EK was going good quality source material (portraying EK in a better light then was in their best interest to do). Independent tests. Not sure what more you can ask for? I don't know a ton about plating and such so I cannot speak on those matters. EK says they found the problem and are addressing it with a different plating technique which tells us the old method was not up to par. What is the debate about?
I'm not gonna bash RRT. They do good stuff. But they made EK look as bad as they made them look good. It was a win win situation for a group known for being anti EK. I don't care so long as the test was on the up and up and it looked legit then as it looks now. Can't argue their intentions weren't good that's for sure. The watercooling community suffers if it wasn't.

And the debate was essentially over a misunderstanding of my intentions regarding my thoughts on the issues. I might not have been perfectly clear what side I was on thinking that really didn't matter. Obviously I was wrong.

Oh anyone check out PPCs' EK Blocks? The issues don't seem to have made much of a dent if any in Sales of EK blocks.

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I'm not gonna bash RRT. They do good stuff. But they made EK look as bad as they made them look good. It was a win win situation for a group known for being anti EK. I don't care so long as the test was on the up and up and it looked legit then as it looks now. Can't argue their intentions weren't good that's for sure. The watercooling community suffers if it wasn't.

And the debate was essentially over a misunderstanding of my intentions regarding my thoughts on the issues. I might not have been perfectly clear what side I was on thinking that really didn't matter. Obviously I was wrong.

Oh anyone check out PPCs' EK Blocks? The issues don't seem to have made much of a dent if any in Sales of EK blocks.

~Ceadder
RedRedRaider's favorite tagline while he was posting at XS was "EK FTW" . . .true story.
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I'm not gonna bash RRT. They do good stuff. But they made EK look as bad as they made them look good. It was a win win situation for a group known for being anti EK. I don't care so long as the test was on the up and up and it looked legit then as it looks now. Can't argue their intentions weren't good that's for sure. The watercooling community suffers if it wasn't.

And the debate was essentially over a misunderstanding of my intentions regarding my thoughts on the issues. I might not have been perfectly clear what side I was on thinking that really didn't matter. Obviously I was wrong.

Oh anyone check out PPCs' EK Blocks? The issues don't seem to have made much of a dent if any in Sales of EK blocks.

~Ceadder
I think the RRTech is misunderstood. They don't hate EK, just how EK responded and continues to respond to issues. True, EK ended up processing RMA's, but they still continued to blame issues not on their previous plating methods, but on coolants still. There was also the issue with the cracked acrylic where they blamed PT Nuke when they had the only reservoirs that were affected. That turned out to be an issue with how the acrylic was casted and in all honesty, I am not sure if they ever manned up to either. Recently, there were also the issues of the golden CPU block and tops with one hole bored into it. EK does make good products though and despite not recommending them to anyone currently, I am still sincerely rooting for them to get their QA back on track.
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I think the RRTech is misunderstood. They don't hate EK, just how EK responded and continues to respond to issues. True, EK ended up processing RMA's, but they still continued to blame issues not on their previous plating methods, but on coolants still. There was also the issue with the cracked acrylic where they blamed PT Nuke when they had the only reservoirs that were affected. That turned out to be an issue with how the acrylic was casted and in all honesty, I am not sure if they ever manned up to either. Recently, there were also the issues of the golden CPU block and tops with one hole bored into it. EK does make good products though and despite not recommending them to anyone currently, I am still sincerely rooting for them to get their QA back on track.
I'm in same boat as you but do suggest Copper blocks. It's not like people are going to see all that nifty shiny nickel in most instances anyway. If you're rolling a colored plexi block like mine you can't even tell what metal is underneath unless you have it lit by LEDs. Acetal covers it completely. Obviously this doesn't help matters if you like the look and that's what you paid for. But it's what I suggest to people if they ask. Bare copper is better for heat dispersion than coated copper.

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Does EK still have problems with Nickel blocks?
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No,but they charge more for teh 'EN' version...
Only EK could make a profit out of fail,that annoys me.
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No,but they charge more for teh 'EN' version...
Only EK could make a profit out of fail,that annoys me.
It is incredible how many fanboys EK has though for a water cooling company. They refused to man up to their own crappy plating, offered to do it right for a higher cost, and somehow people are still upholding this as a great effort by EK. It sickens me how stupid people are sometimes.
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