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Poll Results: In light of EK's nickel failure, will you buy their blocks?

 
  • 39% (230)
    Yes, continue or consider using their blocks (copper or nickel)
  • 60% (354)
    No, I will look into other manufacturers.
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Originally Posted by EK_tiborrr View Post

Again - dear people, why would we give out a new block that would be worse than it's predecessor? Please think logically. EK-Supremacy outperforms EK-Supreme HF in every performance aspect.
Except bang/buck.
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Originally Posted by 3930K View Post

Except bang/buck.

And looks.

I love the looks of my Copper and Clear EK Supreme HF.

I'm not so sure about the EK nickle issues being "resolved" ... only time will tell if that is true or not ... but even if they were, honestly, given the look of the new EK Supremacy (heck the entire LINE from EK now), with the "circles", I would still pass.

Now I do like what an OCN user did with his EK Supremacy ... sanded down block so all the circles were gone. While not the "Copper and Clear" like I prefer, I would buy that. But I'll pass on ANYTHING from EK that has "circles" on it. Which stinks, because I am a long time fan of EK products, but sadly, until they AT LEAST change the look, I won't be building any new rigs based off their components.


http://www.overclock.net/t/1313632/ek-supremacy-as-it-should-be

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Except bang/buck.
Price of EK-Supremacy remained on the same level with EK-Supreme HF.
    
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sanded down block so all the circles were gone.

In conjunction with the warranty. Most likely.biggrin.gif
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And looks.
I love the looks of my Copper and Clear EK Supreme HF.
I'm not so sure about the EK nickle issues being "resolved" ... only time will tell if that is true or not ... but even if they were, honestly, given the look of the new EK Supremacy (heck the entire LINE from EK now), with the "circles", I would still pass.
Now I do like what an OCN user did with his EK Supremacy ... sanded down block so all the circles were gone. While not the "Copper and Clear" like I prefer, I would buy that. But I'll pass on ANYTHING from EK that has "circles" on it. Which stinks, because I am a long time fan of EK products, but sadly, until they AT LEAST change the look, I won't be building any new rigs based off their components.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1313632/ek-supremacy-as-it-should-be

crop circles, little to no communication other than blaming other factors than the plating during and still now after Nickel-gate, bad support.

Yup.
I haven't seen anything new over at EK yet that would warrant me to support or ever recommend their products yet.
If I do see something change for the good I'd be willing to go for EK again. But so far; I've seen nothing.
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^^^I would actually buy that block if it were in Red and if there were no crop circles on it. Of course it would have to be a Copper block. I need to find out if I can get my Formula IV block redone in Copper. I don't like having a possibly flawed material in my system, and I'd rather keep my metals same/same. cool.gif ^^^
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Again - dear people, why would we give out a new block that would be worse than it's predecessor? Please think logically. EK-Supremacy outperforms EK-Supreme HF in every performance aspect.

Have you compared them Tiborrr? Not that I'm doubting your end of the story, but we already had someone make a comparison and it's somewhere around here that the Supremacy isn't better. Not that it was that glaring of a difference in performance, but about a week or so ago when you posted your Benchtop I asked if you were going to compare them. Have you? Cause I am really interested in seeing your numbers and I'm reasonably sure that others are too.

But if you haven't it's not going to do any good asserting that EK (or anyone really) would not put out a block that performs worse than its predecessors. Especially when there are no accepted Reviewers being asked to review the new blocks. And when owners are cheesed off at your company you don't do yourselves any favors. The way to regain product credibility is by inviting your critics to review not people who've never reviewed your products in the past.

I'm not being a bully here, just pointing out how you can regain your foothold as the best manufacturer of Water Cooling components. thumb.gif

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And when owners are cheesed off at your company you don't do yourselves any favors. The way to regain product credibility is by inviting your critics to review not people who've never reviewed your products in the past.
I am not even going to be replying on this one since it's utter lie. A lie told a thousand times is still a lie. We've sent out numerous samples of water blocks and only got ~ 1/3 of all reviews published (talking about reliable 'reviewers'). We gave the blocks just about to anyone. This is now the second time I have to say this and will not say again but simply ignore.

I have been comparing EK-Supreme HF and EK-Supremacy samples for three months prior to release. We did two different approaches for EK-Supremacy and both were better than EK-Supreme HF. My thumbs got literally ruined by the constant mounting and demounting of the water blocks. First on the CPU simulator, then on the real CPU.

Mind you I have measuring equipment and testing methodology at least on par with Martin.

A fresh reviews, a comparion of EK latest CPU water block offerings:
- http://www.benchx.com/web/?p=2321&lang=en
- http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Focclub.ru%2Ftestodrom%2F1377-obzor-i-testirovanie-universalnogo-protsessornogo-vodobloka-ek-supremacy

P.S.: If you still believe Supreme HF is better than Supremacy that's fine by me. If you are not convinced by number then my words will also not convince you. I also have a couple of EK-Supreme HF samples in CSQ design in cased anyone is interested biggrin.gif

Regards,
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And when owners are cheesed off at your company you don't do yourselves any favors. The way to regain product credibility is by inviting your critics to review not people who've never reviewed your products in the past.
I am not even going to be replying on this one since it's utter lie. A lie told a thousand times is still a lie. We've sent out numerous samples of water blocks and only got ~ 1/3 of all reviews published (talking about reliable 'reviewers'). We gave the blocks just about to anyone. This is now the second time I have to say this and will not say again but simply ignore.

I have been comparing EK-Supreme HF and EK-Supremacy samples for three months prior to release. We did two different approaches for EK-Supremacy and both were better than EK-Supreme HF. My thumbs got literally ruined by the constant mounting and demounting of the water blocks. First on the CPU simulator, then on the real CPU.

Mind you I have measuring equipment and testing methodology at least on par with Martin.

A fresh reviews, a comparion of EK latest CPU water block offerings:
- http://www.benchx.com/web/?p=2321&lang=en
- http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Focclub.ru%2Ftestodrom%2F1377-obzor-i-testirovanie-universalnogo-protsessornogo-vodobloka-ek-supremacy

P.S.: If you still believe Supreme HF is better than Supremacy that's fine by me. If you are not convinced by number then my words will also not convince you. I also have a couple of EK-Supreme HF samples in CSQ design in cased anyone is interested biggrin.gif

Regards,
Niko thumb.gif

Niko apparently there is a language barrier that we cannot seem to overcome.

You're telling me that only 1/3 of the reviewers agreed to review Supremacy? And that they compared the previous two EK HF blocks to Supremacy?

I'm not sure I buy that because the Reviewer you linked here doesn't have the numbers for v1 or v2. Only supremacy.

I didn't ask for that. I asked for YOUR numbers. And no I am not asking about mounting. Your own words, you state that you worked tirelessly to make sure that Supremacy fit all platforms. That's not the same as comparing Idle or Load Temps from one block to the next on a similar testing platform. This is all I'm asking for.

I'm willing to believe you but you're not inspiring confidence here. I viewed your second link and by the third page the link starts jumping as though I clicked an ad. So I can't even tell what you did or did not do or achieve from your results.

This is what I'm asking you for though. I'm not out to get EK. My only interest lies in the truth. I did ask you before for the numbers. And either you missed it or you ignored me off hand because you think that I have an issue with EK. My only issue with EK at the moment is the CSQ issue and the shoddy way EK handled the Nickel issue. But that's the past and I'm willing to put it away.

I'm the last guy you want to discount here. I like my EK gear. I'm probably one of the few people that gave your company the Benefit of Doubt when everyone was openly calling for Eddy's head or inciting hate and discontent. So believe me when I say this... you don't want me in a bad mood with your company. I've worked in Automotive Counter Parts Sales and Sales in general for over 15 years. I've held parts that cost ten times the cost of one of your blocks and I don't get offended easily and I look at all sides with equal measure.

So I invite you to try again and do please provide the information I requested. Doing so is good for your company is it not? You can dismiss me if you wish but that would be a mistake.

The first link that you posted is Fail. The only EK block tested is Supremacy. That wasn't the issue at all. thinking.gif

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Even if you go by the posted numbers on the EK web page (which of course, will be the best possible outcome), that is "better cooling performance: up to 2°C lower CPU temperatures compared to EK-Supreme HF", those UGLY circles aren't worth "up to 2°C" cooler temps, IMO.

I'd rather run "up to 2°C" (which actually means, 2°C is THE MOST you are going to see, and most likely less than that, ie 1°C lower temps) and have a block that actually LOOKS GOOD.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.


Now for a question for EK_tiborrr.

EK_tiborrr,

Will EK offer an OPTION (even if it's at a slightly higher price) to order EK parts that DO NOT have the circles? I would gladly order EK items in the future (especially the copper versions) if I could get them WITHOUT the circles (ie just plain plexi or metal covers), but I flat out refuse to buy anything with those ugly circles on them. Having said that, I think it would be wise for your company to offer that OPTION and make some money, rather than make nothing and help your competition. There are plenty of builders who care just as much about (if not more) LOOKS than 1 or 2 degrees temp (which can easily be made up in other ways).

Bottom line:

EK has the option of making $60 + $5-6 for the "non-circle" Supremacy from me -OR- they will me $0 from me and their competition will make $60 from me.

I've just done that with the XSPC Raystorm and a build I just got done doing. I have 3 other builds coming up for myself and for 2 friends for the holidays. All three builds have windows in the case, and unless EK makes "non-circle" versions or their blocks, they will miss out on all future water block builds, which will amount to several hundred dollars when you consider both CPU blocks, GPU block, bay reservoirs, pump blocks, etc.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 10/9/12 at 4:33am
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Now I do like what an OCN user did with his EK Supremacy ... sanded down block so all the circles were gone. While not the "Copper and Clear" like I prefer, I would buy that. But I'll pass on ANYTHING from EK that has "circles" on it. Which stinks, because I am a long time fan of EK products, but sadly, until they AT LEAST change the look, I won't be building any new rigs based off their components.


I seem to like the circles. The plain sanded down block looks extremely plain to me.
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