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Poll Results: In light of EK's nickel failure, will you buy their blocks?

 
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    Yes, continue or consider using their blocks (copper or nickel)
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    No, I will look into other manufacturers.
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post #831 of 1650
this would be the source of corrosion/erosion+bad plaiting =E...K
this BS about distilled +PT Nuke+silver...lost for word here
this is pure copper
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EK = Erosion+Korrosion. I know it's corrosion.
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Originally Posted by same link as above/ Kayin

It has to do with the concept of surface "impurities" and nickel plating.

Nickel doesn't stick to everything. It doesn't stick to brass, or bronze. It will, however, stick to pure copper. If the copper is impure, you get areas of thin plating. Occasionally, you get none.

The red oxidization is not iron oxide, it's an impure copper corroding. So it's quite possible he's been given poor copper and told it's fine.

As to regular copper blocks-the difference may only be enough to be off by 1C, which is in the margin of error. However, if it makes a hole in the nickel, nickel and copper in contact in water will create galvanic corrosion, making the nickel fail much faster.

As an aside, copper (II) sulfate should not hasten this, nor should silver. It really seems to me as though a supplier played a nasty trick on him.

EK's nickel is unique, though. It's cobalt tempered, but there's no chrome layer-a layer which would fix the issues you see here. The chrome would seal those gaps much of the time, making the block impervious-though for chrome, it'll have been plated nickel, then possibly copper and nickel again before chrome, or certainly nickel again and then chrome, explaining part of why you never see it from Koolance or EK.

Go rip apart an Aqua-Computer and I'll bet you money you find the same nickel plating-though I cannot guarantee the same results. Their appearance is far too similar for it to be a more complex process.
This explains a lot. Man I hope Eddy breaks his foot off in someone's ass. I know I would if it were me in Eddy's place.

If nothing else it's a learning experience for Eddy not to unconditionally trust any supplier.

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Makes me wonder where EK bought their metals from? So what about the copper blocks from EK then? Will they still be sold or be subjected to more scrutiny?
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Originally Posted by rpgman1 View Post
Makes me wonder where EK bought their metals from? So what about the copper blocks from EK then? Will they still be sold or be subjected to more scrutiny?
Check out the linked info. I don't think that the Copper Blocks are affected much since they aren't plated. I can only see going away from the Copper blocks if they were plated. But who would honestly plate Copper Billet with Copper? That's a bit daft.

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post #836 of 1650
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Well I'm pretty sure you'd have to pay shipping no matter the company for RMA.

I had to pay shipping for my Keyboard when I sent it in to OCZ. Corsair just goes above and beyond for their customers. But Water Blocks I'm pretty sure will all have to pay shipping to get their blocks RMA'ed. I don't know if that's to the point of origin or to Europe however. I plan on getting my kit through Performance-PCs. My Classified block is going to cost me in shipping all by itself. If I get everything at once(My goal) then it's $22 and change.

Still if you're in the States I would think that you would return the RMA to the place of purchase. An EK block in the packaging isn't very big so I would think that you could get away with shipping it for ~$7 First Class. Small price to pay to get a working block back. The place you bought from having to work with EK to fix the discrepancy in return shipping.

I could be wrong of course but that's how I believe they should handle it.

~Ceadder
It was a rhetorical question but I understand it isn't really financially feasible for a company who isn't prepared for a manufacturing issue like this. My point was mostly that EK should fix their plating quality issue whether they admit to it or not. If it comes up later despite people following the warnings, it will only come back to bite them harder. Though by the sound of the public statement they will continue to work the issue so let's hope for the best.
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post #837 of 1650
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It was a rhetorical question but I understand it isn't really financially feasible for a company who isn't prepared for a manufacturing issue like this. My point was mostly that EK should fix their plating quality issue whether they admit to it or not. If it comes up later despite people following the warnings, it will only come back to bite them harder. Though by the sound of the public statement they will continue to work the issue so let's hope for the best.
Agreed. I think that it's moving in the right direction though, having read over the linked information where the owner tested the copper substrate instead of the plating and found that the Copper wasn't pure.

I'm hoping this information got back to Eddy so he can deal with it in a responsible manner. Which I believe that he cares enough about his company that he'll take steps to rectify the situation.

It's sad that there are heinous people out there that have no problems selling crap to manufacturers. Like the manufacturer is never going to find out. Especially high end computer parts manufacturers. It's too bad that we the users are caught in the middle of this. Looks like I'll be buying each of my components piecemeal come Friday if everything goes smoothly. Pending sale on my Netbook.

If Eddy leaks me his vendor's name I might have a little chat with the bum. Seeing as how I won't be able to get the Kit price.

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post #838 of 1650
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Possible lead, but:

-that block was completely eaten away.
-the block is old
-could be old copper batches from back then
-My supreme hf which is 11 months old does not resemble anything close to what Kayin has going on.

We'll see once the nickel is stripped. I'm having second thoughts as the metalx process. Its pretty dangerous and my landlord may not let me do it. Might just sell the blocks instead.
Edited by wermad - 6/7/11 at 6:31pm
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this is really interesting ...if all of his copper is crap,full refund should be the way to go
    
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Either the supplier is screwing EK and they will send good samples then start cutting corners for more profit, or Ek know's about this and there doing it to save money.
As a manufacturer how could you ever let this happen? Seriously. They'd have to be borderline !@#$% to be ignorant of the quality of materials. Always, always in manufacturing you have to check for QC before you waste your tooling and resources milling a bunch of sub quality stock. Also, you know, your tooling is geared for X stock and if you put in Y stock it will affect your wear rates.

At the beginning of a run on a cnc, tolerances are within a small deviation range, but at the end of the run deviation has gone up as tooling wears down. This is all accounted for with milling. Now throw in sub par stock, and you could skew your tool wear rates drastically. This is why they must know what sort of stock they are dealing with.
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