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Does anyone know the recall for these boards if we bought right when they came out?
I've already received my e-mail from Newegg about getting a new board.

They even said they would give me one without me sending mine back, for now.

So, I wrote back saying "Thank you, but there's nothing wrong with my board ".

So I get a CALL (which I didn't hear so it went to voicemail) from a very intelligent-sounding girl telling me that my choice wasn't clear (it was multiple choice).. she sounded so sensitive and shy.. like, she said the same thing over twice and then felt embarrassed about it.

Ah, that's the kind of people companies should be hiring (no sarcasm).
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I searched the thread but still can't really find an explanation, when the spreadsheet says "Lacks: VRM Power" what does "VRM Power" mean? The VRMs can't handle as much power, don't regulate it as well, something else? It's a little confusing given my understanding of VRMs heh.
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Guys, I need some info on how reliable 6 phase SFC VRM on msi board compared to 12 VRM phase on asus, gigabyte board..is it provide same quality and power stability for long term usage..any1 got info abput it..please share with me..
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I think SandyBridge power consumption limits are a bit of an unknown factor at this point. Used to be you just up the voltage until it gets too hot under load then back off until you find a stable point and you are done.

With these 16 phase boards VRMs, you notice that a max amps is a choice in the bios? Well volts x amps = wattage. And TDP=75W is all the official info on these processors that Intel is giving, being that they are unlocked is also a new thing for a $200 CPU. The way I look at it the power regulation isn't a distiguishing factor on any SB MB, just find a conservative overclock with near stock Vcc and all power saving on: 4 to 4.5ish.

Shouldn't take a $200+ board to do that. If you want to play the 5ghz game, that is a whole nother story and personally see no need for the average reader to even consider going there, just no need. In a year when all the dust has settled we will know more, until then I wouldn't worry about VRM or phases on these boards. Heck my cheapo Biostar H67 hasn't crashed one time in over a month 24/7, sleep, hibernate, benchmarking, no overclocking but you can't make this thing crash so I don't think Sandy Bridge CPU's need much wattage. What seems more important is stability thru the C states, speed stepping, sleep, etc, so VRM may be important but I suspect all P/H67 motherboards have VRM otherwise how would they meet Intel spec ?
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I searched the thread but still can't really find an explanation, when the spreadsheet says "Lacks: VRM Power" what does "VRM Power" mean? The VRMs can't handle as much power, don't regulate it as well, something else? It's a little confusing given my understanding of VRMs heh.
VRM power is the amount of chokes (regulators and transferrers of power to the CPU) on the motherboard.

Just like the GTX 590, the less you have, the less likely you'll be able to reach a high overclock and high voltages.

That being said, I don't think that anything more than 12 is necessary for 5.0Ghz, and since SB can't overclock past that.. there is no need for more, ever.
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Guys, I need some info on how reliable 6 phase SFC VRM on msi board compared to 12 VRM phase on asus, gigabyte board..is it provide same quality and power stability for long term usage..any1 got info abput it..please share with me..
The chokes that MSI use are simply of higher quality and so will retain/transfer more power to the CPU.

Just like the HD 6990, which has chokes capable of 80 Amps, and the GTX 590 has chokes capable of 35 Amps, MSI's are better than ASUS, Gigabyte, etc.

Like I said, you won't need more than that amount.
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I think SandyBridge power consumption limits are a bit of an unknown factor at this point. Used to be you just up the voltage until it gets too hot under load then back off until you find a stable point and you are done.

With these 16 phase boards VRMs, you notice that a max amps is a choice in the bios? Well volts x amps = wattage. And TDP=75W is all the official info on these processors that Intel is giving, being that they are unlocked is also a new thing for a $200 CPU. The way I look at it the power regulation isn't a distiguishing factor on any SB MB, just find a conservative overclock with near stock Vcc and all power saving on: 4 to 4.5ish.

Shouldn't take a $200+ board to do that. If you want to play the 5ghz game, that is a whole nother story and personally see no need for the average reader to even consider going there, just no need. In a year when all the dust has settled we will know more, until then I wouldn't worry about VRM or phases on these boards. Heck my cheapo Biostar H67 hasn't crashed one time in over a month 24/7, sleep, hibernate, benchmarking, no overclocking but you can't make this thing crash so I don't think Sandy Bridge CPU's need much wattage. What seems more important is stability thru the C states, speed stepping, sleep, etc, so VRM may be important but I suspect all P/H67 motherboards have VRM otherwise how would they meet Intel spec ?
We all know very well that you're in favor of not overclocking, regal.

Personally, I think it's because you're trying to justify the purchase to yourself.

Overclocking always has risks, but this entire website was created for the sole purpose of taking on those risks for.. some kind of benefit.

So, I think you'll agree with me, that those benefits.. have to be pretty damn good.

And on a similar note, I would say that my 5.1Ghz 2600k FEELS about twice as fast as it was @ 3.4Ghz at stock. That's just my 2 cents.
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well finally got my i5 25005/msi gd65 build up and running. only at stock till i finish installing updates but temps at load are 42c, love my rasa kit.
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We all know very well that you're in favor of not overclocking, regal.

Personally, I think it's because you're trying to justify the purchase to yourself.

Overclocking always has risks, but this entire website was created for the sole purpose of taking on those risks for.. some kind of benefit.

So, I think you'll agree with me, that those benefits.. have to be pretty damn good.

And on a similar note, I would say that my 5.1Ghz 2600k FEELS about twice as fast as it was @ 3.4Ghz at stock. That's just my 2 cents.


I have always overclocked, but don't see a need with an i2500. When I do I'll buy something other than what I have (which is stable as a rock, damn near completely uncrashable.. )

I just think the average person reading these forums should know that the risks of throwing a large amount of watts at a SandyBridge to achieve 5ghz are unknown. I think average joe should target 4.2ish with stock volts/all power saving on, etc.

Why in the hell would 99.999% of the people reading this thread need to risk their CPU's lifespan to achieve 5ghz?
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I have always overclocked, but don't see a need with an i2500. When I do I'll buy something other than what I have (which is stable as a rock, damn near completely uncrashable.. )

I just think the average person reading these forums should know that the risks of throwing a large amount of watts at a SandyBridge to achieve 5ghz are unknown. I think average joe should target 4.2ish with stock volts/all power saving on, etc.

Why in the hell would 99.999% of the people reading this thread need to risk their CPU's lifespan to achieve 5ghz?
Because the benefits of 5.0Ghz are obviously worth it to them.

You don't know, so you can't understand.

But I'll just say one thing - my 5.1Ghz 2600k is equally stable as yours at stock. Why? Because a good overclocker knows how to stabilize his chip perfectly. You can dispute that all you want, but my rig and your rig will crash just as often - guaranteed.
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