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After reading some reviews on the Asus M4E-Z again I want to bring this up:


The board also only does 8x8 in 2-way and 8x16x16 in 3-way since it doesn't use the NF200 in 2-way.

You can't 4-way even with AMD on it. The board does have one NF200 chip on it but it's not certified for quad-sli even in 2-way although it still works, with some quirks. It's strange that it wouldn't be certified when even some cheap ASRock Extreme4 is certified for quad-sli and only has 3 lanes.
So, you're saying that there is no P67 or Z68 motherboard that can support GTX 590 Quad-SLi?

That doesn't sound right.

EDIT:

I found this, proving the ME4 can do GTX 590 Quad-SLi.

http://en.expreview.com/2011/03/31/g...w/15791.html/2
Edited by Track - 9/2/11 at 4:17pm
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So, you're saying that there is no P67 or Z68 motherboard that can support GTX 590 Quad-SLi?

That doesn't sound right.

EDIT:

I found this, proving the ME4 can do GTX 590 Quad-SLi.

http://en.expreview.com/2011/03/31/g...w/15791.html/2
No, I only said that the M4E-Z isn't certified for 590 SLI. It CAN do it as I stated but with some quirks such as having to have the keyboard/mouse on a specific USB controller and the loss of control over your sound via software.

It doesn't look like it can even do 4-way Xfire either as the max the specs list is 8x16x16.
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No, I only said that the M4E-Z isn't certified for 590 SLI. It CAN do it as I stated but with some quirks such as having to have the keyboard/mouse on a specific USB controller and the loss of control over your sound via software.

It doesn't look like it can even do 4-way Xfire either as the max the specs list is 8x16x16.
Well, how come there are reviews of Quad-SLi working on P67?

And how come no one has started an uprising because of it? Seems quiet.

But if it's true, then no 1155 motherboard can support Quad-SLi, requiring SB-E or last-gen X58. That seems crazy.
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Well, how come there are reviews of Quad-SLi working on P67?

And how come no one has started an uprising because of it? Seems quiet.

But if it's true, then no 1155 motherboard can support Quad-SLi, requiring SB-E or last-gen X58. That seems crazy.
No no no. I'm saying that the M4E-Z just isn't certified. There are other boards that are certified like the ASRock Extreme4 for example. The WS Revolution does support 4-way Xfire though.

1155 boards can certainly support Quad-SLI, they just need to at least have one NF200 chip on the mobo to allow 590 SLI. If it has no NF200 chip, you can't do it which is what happened on the MSI Big Bang Marshall since it has LUCID.

Going even more extreme and trying 4-way SLI requires two NF200 chips which is only available on the top of the line Gigabyte X58A-UD9 and ASUS M4E with the ROG Expander add-on type of boards. There should be SB-E equivalent mobos as well.

AMD doesn't put any of these restrictions on their GPUs. This is a driver limitation by Nvidia which has yet to be hacked like the SLI hacks on X38 and older boards not officially support SLI from http://www.xdevs.com (site down currently).
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No no no. I'm saying that the M4E-Z just isn't certified. There are other boards that are certified like the ASRock Extreme4 for example. The WS Revolution does support 4-way Xfire though.

1155 boards can certainly support Quad-SLI, they just need to at least have one NF200 chip on the mobo to allow 590 SLI. If it has no NF200 chip, you can't do it which is what happened on the MSI Big Bang Marshall since it has LUCID.

Going even more extreme and trying 4-way SLI requires two NF200 chips which is only available on the top of the line Gigabyte X58A-UD9 and ASUS M4E with the ROG Expander add-on type of boards. There should be SB-E equivalent mobos as well.

AMD doesn't put any of these restrictions on their GPUs. This is a driver limitation by Nvidia which has yet to be hacked like the SLI hacks on X38 and older boards not officially support SLI from http://www.xdevs.com (site down currently).
So, the P8P67 Deluxe supports GTX 590 Quad-SLi driver-wise but the top-end board doesn't?

And didn't you say that even if it does support it, it makes half the other board ports and slots useless?
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So, the P8P67 Deluxe supports GTX 590 Quad-SLi driver-wise but the top-end board doesn't?

And didn't you say that even if it does support it, it makes half the other board ports and slots useless?
Yes, the M4E-Z and M4E P67 supports 3-way SLI/Xfire. It has a NF200 chip so even though it's not "certified" for Quad-SLI 2-way, it will still work with some quirks. In 2-way the slots will be forced to 8x8x since it doesn't use the NF200. ASUS states 8x8x is faster because it lacks the latency of the NF200 chip. (In Tweaktown reviews it showed a 2fps difference @ 1080P and 1fps difference @ 1600P). I personally wouldn't use 590SLI on that board since each individual gpu will be running at 4x internally. (Look at GPU-Z to see the PCie lane speed)

The P8P67 Deluxe officially supports Quad-SLi/Xfire while only having 2 PCIe slots @ 8x8 which of course means only 590/6990 and the same 4x internal problem.

Boards that have no NF200 chip can't do SLI due to Nvidia driver limitations.
Oddly enough, AMD cards seem to be more affected by PCIe lane speed than Nvidia yet they will still let you run even 8x4x4x4x.

I don't understand your second statement. What do you mean other slots useless?
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 9/2/11 at 8:29pm
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Yes, the M4E-Z and M4E P67 supports 3-way SLI/Xfire. It has a NF200 chip so even though it's not "certified" for Quad-SLI 2-way, it will still work with some quirks. In 2-way the slots will be forced to 8x8x since it doesn't use the NF200. ASUS states 8x8x is faster because it lacks the latency of the NF200 chip. (In Tweaktown reviews it showed a 2fps difference @ 1080P and 1fps difference @ 1600P). I personally wouldn't use 590SLI on that board since each individual gpu will be running at 4x internally. (Look at GPU-Z to see the PCie lane speed)

The P8P67 Deluxe officially supports Quad-SLi/Xfire while only having 2 PCIe slots @ 8x8 which of course means only 590/6990 and the same 4x internal problem.

Boards that have no NF200 chip can't do SLI due to Nvidia driver limitations.
Oddly enough, AMD cards seem to be more affected by PCIe lane speed than Nvidia yet they will still let you run even 8x4x4x4x.

I don't understand your second statement. What do you mean other slots useless?
You've really done some meticulous work on this. I appreciate it.

So, if I get this right:

-There are no S1155 boards that support 2-way Quad-SLi/CF properly.
But even if you manage to get it working on x4x4 per-GPU,
-There are no S1155 boards that support 2-way Quad-SLi natively, but Quad-CF should work fine driver-wise.
-In any case, some PCIe/SATA/USB lanes will be taken to compensate (if I understand this correctly).

In the end, though, there is a 1-2fps difference between x16x16 and x8x8 (x4x4x4x4 per-GPU), so why does it matter?

The motherboard manufacturers screwed up, but everything seems okay.

But..

Are you suggesting that motherboards that only support x16x4.. don't support SLi, only Crossfire?

So, when it says "Dual (@ x4)", it applies only to AMD GPUs?
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Wow, Nvidia are dicks.

PoopaScoopa, I noticed that you used the term Quad-SLI to refer to two dual GPU cards and 4-way SLI to refer to four single GPU cards. What are the Radeon equivalents of these terms please?
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Wow, Nvidia are dicks.

PoopaScoopa, I noticed that you used the term Quad-SLI to refer to two dual GPU cards and 4-way SLI to refer to four single GPU cards. What are the Radeon equivalents of these terms please?
You just have to switch the word "SLi" with "Crossfire" or CF.
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So, when it says "Dual (@ x4)", it applies only to AMD GPUs?
Seems so. I just stumbled upon this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...e,2887-10.html

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While Nvidia prevents SLI from functioning on PCH-hosted lanes, x16/x4 configurations are completely possible in CrossFire.

Edited by Brod - 9/3/11 at 2:45pm
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