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post #11 of 35
A nice cheap dualcore (E3200/E5200) would more than likely use less power than the P4
post #12 of 35
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Originally Posted by theproodnoob View Post
As sure a there is a sky
Maybe better psu I really don't think anything on p4 level is good for gaming anymore I had a phenom x4 and I did not believe how much of a bottleneck it was on my gpu
Lol, yea it's just that he's trying to keep everything cheap. The PSU is holding.. I don't know how it's still powering everything. Thanks for the help. =)

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Originally Posted by infested999 View Post
I just upgraded from a Pentium 4 to a E5400. The graphics card is great, but the CPU is definitely the bottleneck!

I can tell you that my E5400 with 2GB RAM and 9800GT plays Bad Company 2 on low settings with 60 FPS!

Also, I don't know how the power supply will hold up... I'm surprised you got that 5750 running on it.
Yea.. I knew there was something wrong. If the game is running at 25 FPS on all possible settings... not the video card's fault.

Whoa... 60 FPS? I barely manage that on my rig right now. o.o

I'm surprised that it's holding up too... I'll see if he's willing to get a cheap 500w CM PSU.

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Originally Posted by BinaryDemon View Post
I'm concerned about that powersupply, I have to wonder if its adequately powering everything. Maybe it cant give the GPU all the juice it wants.
I'm concerned about it too.. but he doesn't play any graphic intensive games. I'll see if he's willing to get a new PSU.

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Originally Posted by TripleC View Post
Pentium 4s are very slow, even at high clocks, (still slow like snail when i oced pentium d to 4ghz)

anyways, yeah, upgrade the cpu u will see a notable difference
Yea... it's an old computer. He just wanted to keep it cheap. Hopefully an E5400 will fix the bottleneck.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by FusionFX View Post
One word... Yes
Lol, thanks.

Eh... next thing you know the power supply breaks down.
post #13 of 35
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Originally Posted by TripleC View Post
that is true, tho with no overclock intended, and after cpu upgrade it should bring down the voltage some more too, and the VGA card doesn't take that much voltage to operate, it sounds like it should be fine and all

but a small upgrade on psu would be a good idea anyways, sufficient power is a good thing for a PC, i learn it the hard way (nothing broke, but took some risk to figure that out)
Yea... I think a small CM 500w would do fine, or a Corsair CX430 maybe too.

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Originally Posted by Juganot View Post
Get your friend a Q8300?
Eh.. he wants to keep it really really cheap. Unless there's a Q8300 for $50 or something.

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Originally Posted by Mattb2e View Post
get a dual core at the very least, doesnt have to be expensive, in fact I would recommend you bought one cheap or used, because its an outdated platform. I would also recommend a better PSU asap. To answer your question, yes, his CPU is the source of his bottleneck.

An OEM 230w psu is ok for a system without a dedicated GPU, but as soon as you added it, you have already put the system at risk of failure.

A decent 400w PSU will be adequite at powering his system, and I dont recommend going any further with upgrades until you have replaced the PSU.
Yea, I'm going to see if I can get an E5400. I know the PSU was a problem.. recommended power supply for the HD 5750 is 430W or something along those lines... and I miss the cut by like.. 200w. =P

I'll see if I can keep things cheap.

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Originally Posted by Juganot View Post
This.

Obviously if you can nab yourself a cheap core 2 quad then do it.
Yea, only if there's a cheap one. I'll check the Marketplace.
post #14 of 35
As an addition to my previous post, here are my suggestions as far as components go. Im not sure as to what the budget is, but cheapest I would go is this psu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371029

And this CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116348

Also keep an eye on the marketplace, you can find some cheap deals on dual cores these days, heres a thread with a Q9300 for $90
http://www.overclock.net/main-compon...-ram-s939.html
post #15 of 35
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Originally Posted by Mattb2e View Post
As an addition to my previous post, here are my suggestions as far as components go. Im not sure as to what the budget is, but cheapest I would go is this psu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371029

And this CPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116348

Also keep an eye on the marketplace, you can find some cheap deals on dual cores these days, heres a thread with a Q9300 for $90
http://www.overclock.net/main-compon...-ram-s939.html
Thanks for finding all of those. =P But the thing is that he can only get them from a local store. So I'll see if we can find some cheap stuff like those. Thanks a lot. :0
post #16 of 35
i tried games like BC2, black ops on my pentium D 9800GTX backup rig, got about 5FPS. on this rig, it's in triple digits.

Get a Athlon X4 or something cheap, and watch that FPS soar into the triple digits!
post #17 of 35
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Originally Posted by theproodnoob View Post
As sure a there is a sky
Maybe better psu I really don't think anything on p4 level is good for gaming anymore I had a phenom x4 and I did not believe how much of a bottleneck it was on my gpu
That's alot of assurance. Too bad it's wrong.

Framerate Normalization Settings

In the video options menu, the setting labeled "Frame Rate Cap" can be used to prevent unexpected dips in framerate by attempting to smooth out the game's performance. By default, the option is set to “Benchmark” which means that all framerate smoothing is disabled. Other settings have the following behavior:

* Stable – This attempts to detect and maintain a stable framerate above 25fps. Players may experience a slightly lower maximum framerate, but fluctuations should be less.
* High – This option also detects the low and high framerates and attempts to normalize the performance, but at a higher FPS than the “Stable” option.
* 25/30/60/80 – These options allow the player to control the target framerate the smoothing process will attempt to achieve.

It runs at 20 to 30 frames per second because the engine tries to make the game run at 25 frames per second. And many engines do this as well. Bigger gpu's or bigger cpu's only result in drops of usage percentage. Game probably has busted features. But he'll have to see. That GPU should be able to keep a 60 target pretty easy.
Edited by Hephasteus - 1/16/11 at 4:57pm
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Get a Athlon X4
And fit that into a LGA 775 motherboard?
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Thanks for finding all of those. =P But the thing is that he can only get them from a local store. So I'll see if we can find some cheap stuff like those. Thanks a lot. :0
Let us know what the local store offerings are. I, or other members, can determine the best path of upgrade.
post #20 of 35
get something "Core 2" based,
any Celeron e3300, or pentium e5xxx will be MUCH, MUCH faster...
you have a single core "Netburst" CPU, this is something that was quite good in 2002, but since 2006 is really slow, its much slower than even a old single core athlon 64 running at 700mhz less in general, even slower than the ATOM in many cases...

just get a cheap e5400 or something and you will see huge gains,

Pentium 4 is awful, even the Dual Core version is terrible slow (Pentium D)

I always get a bit surprised by how many people still doesn't know how slow these things are and get fooled by the "high" clocks

take a look here the much faster 660 is still much slower than the e5300
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/98?vs=92
look at Crysis P4 (3.6ghz) = 22fps, pentium e5300(2.6ghz) = 59
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