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I love me some deep blacks.
You won't get particularly deep blacks, although no worse than any TN. If you want truly deep inky blacks, you'll need a monitor with a VA panel.

As Riou alluded to, you should be able to see the full range of blacks or the entire grayscale, in other words, every single one of these squares: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
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You won't get particularly deep blacks, although no worse than any TN. If you want truly deep inky blacks, you'll need a monitor with a VA panel.

As Riou alluded to, you should be able to see the full range of blacks or the entire grayscale, in other words, every single one of these squares: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/black.php
Oh. Poo.
Where can I find VA panel monitors?

I can see all of those squares now*
*If I move my head around and squint at them.
post #13 of 24
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Oh. Poo.
Where can I find VA panel monitors?

I can see all of those squares now*
*If I move my head around and squint at them.
IPS panels don't have the best blacks. They are decent but not the best. If you really want good blacks, get a plasma TV. Plasmas use a lot of electricity though.

The good thing about using an IPS panel is you can see the white text that are hidden in some people's posts on OCN.
Edited by Riou - 1/17/11 at 12:30am
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IPS panels don't have the best blacks. They are decent but not the best. If you really want good blacks, get a plasma TV.

Plasmas use a lot of electricity though.
But, but... that's a TV!
post #15 of 24
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Oh. Poo.
Where can I find VA panel monitors?

I can see all of those squares now*
*If I move my head around and squint at them.
Off the top of my head there's the BenQ EW2420, VW2420H, BL2400PT / BL2400PU, Samsung F2380 / F2380MX, Samsung 2333T, Eizo Foris FS2331, FX2431. There are many more though, but they're usually quite expensive, as are IPS monitors.

Whilst you get really deep blacks which is nice for movies (and is the reason why a lot of high end Sony and Samsung TV's use VA), however the trade off is that VA panels are slow, so you'll get quite a lot of ghosting in games. The Foris FS2331 has reasonable overdrive so it minimises this, but it's Eizo so it's mega expensive.

An example of an e-IPS panel (Dell 2209wa) vs the deep blacks and high contrast ratio seen in VA panels (Samsung 2333T):



Also note, VA panels has something called black crush or gamma shifting. It's probably best described with this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZnaMex2FUo

It's basically an inherent effect (or flaw if you will) of VA panel technology whereby black and dark shades at the centre of the screen (when viewing the monitor straight on), will "crush" together, in other words you lose a lot of details usually in shadows. If you move your head horizontally to the size, the detail will reappear or the blacks get lighter. Also if viewing the monitor straight on, one or both sides can appear brighter.

I don't mean to put you off your purchase, I own two U2311H myself
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U2211h is good,but I prefer U2311h
ya but the U2410 stomps it

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Oh. Poo.
Where can I find VA panel monitors?

I can see all of those squares now*
*If I move my head around and squint at them.
Do not bother with any PVA panels, they have better blacks, an S-IPS will have better blacks than a TN for sure though, and if you are using that as your only metric you might as well go buy a CRT.
EDIT: Yeah black crush thing sucks with vertical alignment panels too, whole people can disappear!

Anyway, just pop your IPS panel next to your TN panel in clone mode and be prepared to think "Wow, how crappy are TN panels".

I brought home a 20" Dell IPS panel display that was used and 5 years old. Used it as a secondary monitor with my old T260HD, which I had thought was a really nice monitor. Well the old Dell made it look like garbage. It made me really hate the monitor I had previously thought was really nice. It spurred me to buy the 30".
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ya but the U2410 stomps it

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I hope I do, too! But free shipping takes forever D:

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Do not bother with any PVA panels, they have better blacks, an S-IPS will have better blacks than a TN for sure though, and if you are using that as your only metric you might as well go buy a CRT.
EDIT: Yeah black crush thing sucks with vertical alignment panels too, whole people can disappear!

Anyway, just pop your IPS panel next to your TN panel in clone mode and be prepared to think "Wow, how crappy are TN panels".

I brought home a 20" Dell IPS panel display that was used and 5 years old. Used it as a secondary monitor with my old T260HD, which I had thought was a really nice monitor. Well the old Dell made it look like garbage. It made me really hate the monitor I had previously thought was really nice. It spurred me to buy the 30".
I can't wait for OLED screens to become publicly available.

Ooh, good idea! I probably would have thought about that later, but I plan on doing that for sure now. I'll be using that in my unboxing and review for my youtube page/website. >.>

lol. That is encouraging. I can't wait to get it!
post #19 of 24
You won't get the best blacks. In fact, I've seen a good many TN's and VA's that trounce the Dell IPS's in that area. What you will get is more accurate colors, better viewing angles and much better color uniformity. In my opinion the glossy screen IPS's like Apple's display have much more "pop" in the picture but the glare is pretty bad. I have to say that I like my Dell but often think about going back to VA or TN for a number of reasons...
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I actually got it today. Rape mail, the mail you didn't know you wanted!

It's amazing so far. The viewing angles are weird! It looks great from any angle. I'm not used to this. o.o!
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