Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Keyboards › What keyboard comes in MX blues and looks like the filco majestouch 104
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

What keyboard comes in MX blues and looks like the filco majestouch 104 - Page 3

post #21 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyboyd View Post
must... resist... saying... blackwidow.

In all seriousness, i'd grab the DAS that come with blues. there's alwasy the Happy hacking pro. It's supposed to be excellent, but expensive. I'm pretty certain they're available with mx blues.

i am pretty sure that they only come in Topre switches. If they do come in blues i have never heard of one and i doubt that they would be easy to obtain in the US. They are $275 also, so maybe not the best for a first keyboard unless you are really curious about how Topres feel. IMO, dont get the blackwidow, i may be a little biased but it really is not that great of a keyboard anyways. only has 2KRO and the font bothers me a bit, just my opinion, you may love how it looks but you might find that the 2KRO is keeping you away if you game a lot in WOW or have to press a lot of keys in an FPS game. Just trying to give info to help you make a choice and not persuade you one way or the other.
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
post #22 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by hfcobra View Post
i am pretty sure that they only come in Topre switches. If they do come in blues i have never heard of one and i doubt that they would be easy to obtain in the US. They are $275 also, so maybe not the best for a first keyboard unless you are really curious about how Topres feel. IMO, dont get the blackwidow, i may be a little biased but it really is not that great of a keyboard anyways. only has 2KRO and the font bothers me a bit, just my opinion, you may love how it looks but you might find that the 2KRO is keeping you away if you game a lot in WOW or have to press a lot of keys in an FPS game. Just trying to give info to help you make a choice and not persuade you one way or the other.
Off topic but,

i have a black widow. and i can assure you it doesn't have 2KRO. Yes, it's not PS/2, but it's much much more than 2 keys.
post #23 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyboyd View Post
Off topic but,

i have a black widow. and i can assure you it doesn't have 2KRO. Yes, it's not PS/2, but it's much much more than 2 keys.
try Z+X+C and tell me if they work. It uses anti ghosting around the WASD cluster, but overall it is only 2KRO.

EDIT: or see how many arrow keys you can press
Edited by hfcobra - 1/26/11 at 12:08pm
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
post #24 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyboyd View Post
Off topic but,

i have a black widow. and i can assure you it doesn't have 2KRO. Yes, it's not PS/2, but it's much much more than 2 keys.
BW is 2kro. They say it is has a gaming optimized cluster however. Whatever that means.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600K GA-P67A-UD7-B3 EVGA GTX470 SLI 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
C300 64GB + 150GB Raptor 30" 3007WFP-HC + 20" 2007FP Portait (3760x1600) Realforce 87u 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850 LIAN LI MX-518 QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600K GA-P67A-UD7-B3 EVGA GTX470 SLI 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
C300 64GB + 150GB Raptor 30" 3007WFP-HC + 20" 2007FP Portait (3760x1600) Realforce 87u 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850 LIAN LI MX-518 QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
post #25 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyboyd View Post
Off topic but,

i have a black widow. and i can assure you it doesn't have 2KRO. Yes, it's not PS/2, but it's much much more than 2 keys.
2KRO refers to the minimum number of keys you can hit at the same time, not the maximum. Essentially every keyboard can hit up to 6 keys at once, but the minimum is the important part. Try the test here, with the arrow keys, ASQ, ASZ, JKI, JKU, and other similar combinations. If any combination of 3 keys doesn't work, then it's 2KRO.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stuiees View Post
BW is 2kro. They say it is has a gaming optimized cluster however. Whatever that means.
They've just optimized the matrix around WASD so it doesn't block as many keys as a typical keyboard. Where most keyboards will fail WD3 and WA1, it may work on those.
Primary System
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Gigabyte P55A-UD4P 2x EVGA GTX460 2x 4gb Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung F4 XSPC Rasa cpu block 2x XSPC Razor 460 Black Ice GTX 360 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
MCP-350 Windows 7 64bit Samsung SyncMaster SA300 23" Filco Majestouch "Otaku" Tenkeyless 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair TX850W v1 NZXT Whisper Logitech Performance MX Altec Lansing ATP3 
  hide details  
Reply
Primary System
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Gigabyte P55A-UD4P 2x EVGA GTX460 2x 4gb Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung F4 XSPC Rasa cpu block 2x XSPC Razor 460 Black Ice GTX 360 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
MCP-350 Windows 7 64bit Samsung SyncMaster SA300 23" Filco Majestouch "Otaku" Tenkeyless 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair TX850W v1 NZXT Whisper Logitech Performance MX Altec Lansing ATP3 
  hide details  
Reply
post #26 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by bakageta View Post
2KRO refers to the minimum number of keys you can hit at the same time, not the maximum. Essentially every keyboard can hit up to 6 keys at once, but the minimum is the important part. Try the test here, with the arrow keys, ASQ, ASZ, JKI, JKU, and other similar combinations. If any combination of 3 keys doesn't work, then it's 2KRO.



They've just optimized the matrix around WASD so it doesn't block as many keys as a typical keyboard. Where most keyboards will fail WD3 and WA1, it may work on those.
2kro is the MAXIMUM number of any keys that can be pushed simultaniously, not minimum. This means any 2 key combo should work, but some/most/all 3+ key combinations may fail to register or cause ghosting (it registers a totally different keystroke than the one that was pushed). Now I understand they have "optimized" the matrix around the w,a,s,d cluster, but if z,x,c doesnt even work ***?

I consider this a fail when Razer labeled this product as the worlds first gaming mech keyboard.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600K GA-P67A-UD7-B3 EVGA GTX470 SLI 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
C300 64GB + 150GB Raptor 30" 3007WFP-HC + 20" 2007FP Portait (3760x1600) Realforce 87u 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850 LIAN LI MX-518 QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600K GA-P67A-UD7-B3 EVGA GTX470 SLI 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
C300 64GB + 150GB Raptor 30" 3007WFP-HC + 20" 2007FP Portait (3760x1600) Realforce 87u 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850 LIAN LI MX-518 QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
post #27 of 35
2KRO is a minimum of 2 keys at once, meaning ANY 2 keys work at the same time. Some combinations of 3 (or more) keys will work, but not all of them do. If 2 keys were the maximum that could be pressed, then no combination of 3 or more would work, and we know that's not the case.
Primary System
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Gigabyte P55A-UD4P 2x EVGA GTX460 2x 4gb Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung F4 XSPC Rasa cpu block 2x XSPC Razor 460 Black Ice GTX 360 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
MCP-350 Windows 7 64bit Samsung SyncMaster SA300 23" Filco Majestouch "Otaku" Tenkeyless 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair TX850W v1 NZXT Whisper Logitech Performance MX Altec Lansing ATP3 
  hide details  
Reply
Primary System
(18 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 860 Gigabyte P55A-UD4P 2x EVGA GTX460 2x 4gb Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung F4 XSPC Rasa cpu block 2x XSPC Razor 460 Black Ice GTX 360 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
MCP-350 Windows 7 64bit Samsung SyncMaster SA300 23" Filco Majestouch "Otaku" Tenkeyless 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Corsair TX850W v1 NZXT Whisper Logitech Performance MX Altec Lansing ATP3 
  hide details  
Reply
post #28 of 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by bakageta View Post
2KRO is a minimum of 2 keys at once, meaning ANY 2 keys work at the same time. Some combinations of 3 (or more) keys will work, but not all of them do. If 2 keys were the maximum that could be pressed, then no combination of 3 or more would work, and we know that's not the case.
this is correct, just saying for less arguing
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
Dream Machine
(21 items)
 
 
My laptop
(10 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4790K ASUS Maximus VI Hero EVGA GTX780Ti 16GB G.Skill Trident X 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Samsung EVO 500GB EK Supremacy EK GTX780Ti block Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 420 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 280 x8 Noctua NF-A14 PWM fans Windows 10 64-bit BenQ XL2430T 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce Tenkeyless 45g Corsair AX860i Corsair 750D 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Logitech G Pro Logitech G640 Sennheiser Game One 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 920 D0 @ 4.2GHz Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R rev. 2 EVGA GeForce GTX 580 6GB DDR3 OCZ Platinum @ 1600 6-8-6-24 1T 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Crucial C300 Samsung HDD Noctua NH-D14 with 3 NF-P14 fans Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
BenQ XL2420T Realforce 87UB Corsair HX850W HAF-X 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Zowie FK Artisan Hayate ASUS Xonar Essence STX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel 3610QM N56VZ NVIDIA GT650M 2GB 8GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSKeyboard
Samsung 830 256GB Fancy Blu-Ray burner Windows 64-bit backlit 
PowerMouse Pad
battery or wall yes 
  hide details  
Reply
post #29 of 35
Minimum: the smallest possible quantity
Maximum: the largest possible quantity

The minimum amout of keystrokes on a keyboard would obviously be a single key (but I dont know of a keyboard that made it into production that was not capable of 1kro). If the minimum were 2kro, that would mean it is capable of more. But as already stated it can not handle z,x,c combo (3 keystroke combo). Meaning 2kro = maximum of ANY 2 keys can be registered simultaniously. If it had could compute a minimum of 2 keys without failing, ghosting that would mean it could compute more that ANY 2 keys. As already stated it fails z,x,c meaning 2 is the MAXIMUM of ANY key combination. IT WILL FAIL CERTAIN 3 SIMULTANIOUS KEYSTROKE COMBOS.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600K GA-P67A-UD7-B3 EVGA GTX470 SLI 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
C300 64GB + 150GB Raptor 30" 3007WFP-HC + 20" 2007FP Portait (3760x1600) Realforce 87u 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850 LIAN LI MX-518 QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
2600K GA-P67A-UD7-B3 EVGA GTX470 SLI 16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
C300 64GB + 150GB Raptor 30" 3007WFP-HC + 20" 2007FP Portait (3760x1600) Realforce 87u 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair AX850 LIAN LI MX-518 QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
post #30 of 35


Key Rollover is the minimum amount of keys that can be simultaneously pressed that can be guaranteed to work for any possible combination of keys of that quantity.

It is not a maximum - on a 2KRO PS/2 keyboard, it is perfectly possible to hold down more than two keys and have them register, it just means that there are certain combinations of 3 or more keys that will cause blocking. If you study the key matrix, it would be possible to figure out combinations of a dozen or more keys that you could press simultaneously on a 2KRO keyboard that will not block, but the fact that something like ASX causes the thing to fail means that it's 2KRO. Again, minimum amount that is guaranteed to work.

A 1KRO keyboard would mean that there are at least some combinations of two keys that would not register properly. Indeed, there has not been such a keyboard made because it would basically be impossible to type on one.
Edited by ch_123 - 1/26/11 at 1:44pm
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
Daedalus
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 955 Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H Gainward 9600GT GS 4GB OCZ Platinum PC2-6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
250GB Samsung P120S, 1TB Samsung F1 Window 7 64bit/Arch Linux Samsung 204B 20"/Dell 1701FP IBM Model F and others 
PowerCaseMouse
Corsair HX620 Lian-Li V350B Steelseries Ikari Laser 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Keyboards
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Keyboards › What keyboard comes in MX blues and looks like the filco majestouch 104