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Okay...Where do you see the LLC in the bios? I'm looking at the GD65 manual and it does not even show a LLC feature How can you disable it and it's not there?
It's called VDroop Control. 20% of this thread and 10% of my review thread is about the broken LLC, so ye...

It's a bit tricky, it's not called LLC and the only options (currently) are auto and "Low VDroop" (LLC turned on). Both are the same... We used to have auto, high VDroop and low VDroop, but the high VDroop option (no LLC) went AWOL around 1.A. It didn't work before either, though.
Edited by B!0HaZard - 5/3/11 at 7:49am
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It's called VDroop Control. 20% of this thread and 10% of my review thread is about the broken LLC, so ye...

It's a bit tricky, it's not called LLC and the only options (currently) are auto and "Low VDroop" (LLC turned on). Both are the same... We used to have auto, high VDroop and low VDroop, but the high VDroop option (no LLC) went AWOL around 1.A. It didn't work before either, though.
My apologies for not understanding at first. We are on the same page. I have not had the time to even go into my bios and start OC'ing (work is overwhelming as of now). You're absolutely correct about the vdroop control but I will tell you like the OP. Don't hold your breath for a bios that will allow you to turn it off. I would not even entertain high vdroop (which you've already discovered). This was discussed in the MSI forum and was also confirmed on NCIX Tech Tips Video while demostrating on P67A GD65. So in our case, Low Vdroop is the way to go unless somebody out there is lucky with the opposite.

Here's the video (around the 8 minute mark...)


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My apologies for not understanding at first. We are on the same page. I have not had the time to even go into my bios and start OC'ing (work is overwhelming as of now). You're absolutely correct about the vdroop control but I will tell you like the OP. Don't hold your breath for a bios that will allow you to turn it off. I would not even entertain high vdroop (which you've already discovered). This was discussed in the MSI forum and was also confirmed on NCIX Tech Tips Video while demostrating on P67A GD65. So in our case, Low Vdroop is the way to go unless somebody out there is lucky with the opposite.

Here's the video (around the 8 minute mark...)

How is "Low VDroop" the way to go? IT'S 0.04 V INCREASE UNDER LOAD. 0.04 V!!! No, the way to go for us is "High VDroop" because LLC (or "Low VDroop") degrades CPUs quicker and causes instabilities at idle. Just check the threads (this or my review) and you'll see that 4 out of 5 ask why their PCs are crashing at idle when they're 100% stable at load.
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How is "Low VDroop" the way to go? IT'S 0.04 V INCREASE UNDER LOAD. 0.04 V!!! No, the way to go for us is "High VDroop" because LLC (or "Low VDroop") degrades CPUs quicker and causes instabilities at idle.
Yes, it's something we do not want to deal with...That's MSI for ya and will always be. This goes back to the P45 days. Low vdroop for now in OUR current situation until MSI does something about it. Don't hold your breath

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Just check the threads (this or my review) and you'll see that 4 out of 5 ask why their PCs are crashing at idle when they're 100% stable at load.
I've been reading. More vcore is needed. That's why I had stated earlier that MSI is very similar to Nvidia mobos from the past. Reason why the majority avoided Nvidia mobos is because it had always required higher vcore to maintain OCs. ASUS & Gigabyte never had that problem. Gigabyte mobos were the best regarding voltage regulation first. Now ASUS & Gigabyte are running neck-and-neck. MSI mobos are the "Nvidia mobos" of today when compared to ASUS & Gigabyte. Voltage regulation is not as efficient as ASUS & Gigabyte. Yes they OC well but requires more vcore than the competition. It's always been the case. Should MSI change this?...Yes, especially for those who are concern about this. Does MSI care? Maybe not since they have never shown a stride to be equivalent or even better. MSI is more concern about quality but that can also be a matter of opinion.

I will always tell everybody, if you want to achieve the highest OCs (does not have to be the highest) with the most efficiency regarding the vcore, go Gigabyte or ASUS. MSI will get you there but always with more vcore. It's been like this for a long time & I still wonder if it's ever going to change. So why do I buy MSI? Nice quality mobo (never had a MSI mobo to fail on me) that provides the OC range I can run 24/7. If I was an enthusiast benchmarker, I would not hesitate to buy Gigabyte or ASUS.
Edited by drBlahMan - 5/3/11 at 9:14am
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Oh btw...new P67A bios removed the "High VDROOP" option...it's just auto or low now
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Oh btw...new P67A bios removed the "High VDROOP" option...it's just auto or low now
1.B4 is what im runnin
Not surprise by that move since things were funky when "High Vdroop" was selected. B!0HaZard will not be happy about this
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What was supposed to be better for higher oc: low vdroop or high?
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Oh btw...new P67A bios removed the "High VDROOP" option...it's just auto or low now
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Not surprise by that move since things were funky when "High Vdroop" was selected. B!0HaZard will not be happy about this
Uhhh...

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It's called VDroop Control. 20% of this thread and 10% of my review thread is about the broken LLC, so ye...

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What was supposed to be better for higher oc: low vdroop or high?
High was supposed to be better, but they were the same.
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Not surprise by that move since things were funky when "High Vdroop" was selected. B!0HaZard will not be happy about this
it doesn't matter what option you'll select because it doesn't have any effect... that means they can remove whatever they want including the whole vdroop settings and nobody will ever know the difference
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Not surprise by that move since things were funky when "High Vdroop" was selected. B!0HaZard will not be happy about this
Uhhh...
I was thinking you would rather see "High Vdroop" fixed & working correctly instead of being removed...right ?

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it doesn't matter what option you'll select because it doesn't have any effect... that means they can remove whatever they want including the whole vdroop settings and nobody will ever know the difference
Hope you're right
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