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Yes, you're completely safe adding more voltage. I've done suicide runs with >1.6 V, so it's not like you can make it blow up with just 1.4 V.
It's either the C-state or C1E, but most likely C-state.

Thanks. I'ma see if I can get stable with C-State enabled @ 4.4GHz before I venture off into the beyond.

But, I think I'm going to try to lower my 4.4GHz voltage too, see if I can get stable with that. I was hitting mid-70s under P95 load, and I hadn't tried IBT yet, but it'll probably give me 5c's more. And this is with nice ~56ish fahrenheit ambient in the winter. Summer will be too much. gotta plan for the future.

I plan to just keep the multi at 44, and lower the vcore 1 notch at a time til I BSOD, then just use the vcore right above it.

Is this the safe way? My friend was telling me to start @ 1.28v and work my way up. But since I'm stable @ 1.336v, I figured working my way down would be faster and more convenient, and less time in P95 doing ~4hours tests for each voltage notch.
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Thanks. I'ma see if I can get stable with C-State enabled @ 4.4GHz before I venture off into the beyond.
But, I think I'm going to try to lower my 4.4GHz voltage too, see if I can get stable with that. I was hitting mid-70s under P95 load, and I hadn't tried IBT yet, but it'll probably give me 5c's more. And this is with nice ~56ish fahrenheit ambient in the winter. Summer will be too much. gotta plan for the future.
I plan to just keep the multi at 44, and lower the vcore 1 notch at a time til I BSOD, then just use the vcore right above it.
Is this the safe way? My friend was telling me to start @ 1.28v and work my way up. But since I'm stable @ 1.336v, I figured working my way down would be faster and more convenient, and less time in P95 doing ~4hours tests for each voltage notch.

IBT will give temps 10C higher if you're using AVX so be careful!
P95 is pretty much useless for stability testing. Best way is to use the PC for days. I've had crashes happen up to a week later with little CPU load. SB is kinda funny regarding this.
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First, here's Vdrop and Vdroop. Vdrop is from BIOS to idle. It's completely normal and harmless. The true voltage is the one in CPU-Z, so disregard the BIOS voltage.
For 4.5 GHz, I see no problem putting it to 1.38 V. The CPU-Z voltage is the true one. Also, you won't really harm the CPU 'til 1.45 V or something like that.
Nice, someone without LLC. Yes, the drop from idle to load voltage is Vdroop. This is normal and good. Don't listen to Alcatraroz, you're lucky to have a board that doesn't have higher load than idle voltage. LLC is very harmful, especially at high voltages, so keep it like it is.

hi i dont want have a discussion with u but i assure u that with llc setting on auto i cannot be stable on 4.7 ghz with the same settings(1.376 vcore,eist enabled,c-state enabled with no limit, and C1E disabled)...so that why i said "on my board" maybe on ur board isnt like this
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hi i dont want have a discussion with u but i assure u that with llc setting on auto i cannot be stable on 4.7 ghz with the same settings(1.376 vcore,eist enabled,c-state enabled with no limit, and C1E disabled)...so that why i said "on my board" maybe on ur board isnt like this

LLC is harmful because it creates a spike in Vcore. Say, if your Vdroop is 0.02 V, LLC will make you Vcore spike 0.02 V above the target voltage (assuming it stabilizes at the idle voltage) for a moment. Or in these motherboards' case, it'll spike to 0.04 V above. Now, say you're at 1.46 V. Your Vcore will be spiking to 1.5 V every time you load the CPU or go idle again. LLC makes an OC stable, but it's a CPU killer. Of course only slowly, but I don't want to put my CPU through huge spikes like that daily.

Also, on my board, I get 0.04 V rise from idle to load (this is normal for these boards). This means that even if I'm stable at load, I will be unstable at idle. LLC makes absolutely no sense on these boards unless you have a desire to degrade your CPU faster.
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So, don't use the new BIOS that released correct (1.15)? As they have the same issue as 1.E, I presume?
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LLC is harmful because it creates a spike in Vcore. Say, if your Vdroop is 0.02 V, LLC will make you Vcore spike 0.02 V above the target voltage (assuming it stabilizes at the idle voltage) for a moment. Or in these motherboards' case, it'll spike to 0.04 V above. Now, say you're at 1.46 V. Your Vcore will be spiking to 1.5 V every time you load the CPU or go idle again. LLC makes an OC stable, but it's a CPU killer. Of course only slowly, but I don't want to put my CPU through huge spikes like that daily.
Also, on my board, I get 0.04 V rise from idle to load (this is normal for these boards). This means that even if I'm stable at load, I will be unstable at idle. LLC makes absolutely no sense on these boards unless you have a desire to degrade your CPU faster.

i remember that even about p45 chipset some ppls claim that LLC is harmful for cpu life... that isn't a new...anyway if i want stabilize my daily OC(4.7 ghz) with reasonnable vcore is the only way...with LLC on auto i cant even post at 4.7ghz and 1.376v vcore...then if its reduce cpu life duration from 10 years to 2-3 years that isn't a problem for my opinion coz (like mostly peoples) i'll change my cpu earlier for sure..i always use LLC for OC since i got a pentium "palomino" for stabilize my OC and never i got sudden "cpu dead" for that...then with 1.376 v vcore that i need for 4.7 ghz its spike to 1.41 on full load(prime 95) and 1.43 on lynx with c-state enabled ...i guesss 1.41v is a pretty safe voltage for daily use....if i set LLC on auto i cant even start windows...so maybe is harmful for cpu life duration but is necessary for stable OC imho
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So, don't use the new BIOS that released correct (1.15)? As they have the same issue as 1.E, I presume?
The consensus right now is to use 1.D/1.13
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I recently picked up a gd55 and it was fine from the factory, aside from a minor issue where it would not reboot properly from Windows. It had to be shutdown, then manually turned back on. No problem I thought, I figured I'd update the bios with the latest version on the MSI website, using the update utility from a flash drive.

I reverted to defaults before updating (nothing overclocked, etc), ran memtest, passed, and then updated to BIOS version 1.15 (latest on the MSI website, probably shouldn't have given MSI the benefit of the doubt...). Everything seemed to go fine, it booted, gave some codes at the bottom right... and then nothing. Blank screen. Won't POST after those codes at the bottom right and would not boot into Windows.

Resetting CMOS seems to come up with a screen that lets me know it reset properly, and to hit F1 or F2 to restore defaults or continue, or something. Typical after a CMOS reset.

The problem with this screen is that it either 1) hangs immediately after, or 2) my keyboard no longer works and hitting F1 or F2 do not register.

Can anyone help me? My only options right now seem to be to RMA the board as I can't get into the bios and can't get it to boot at all.

@ibtar: I just had the same problem just now.. freaking scariest moment i've experienced.

What i had to was force the primary bios to fail by restarting the mobo a lot (going in an out of oc genie helps), so that the blue light would begin to flash 1once every second (http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=145084.0)

once thats done, it should boot from secondary bios garunteed to work. from there go into the bios, settings > security > mutli bios auto update > enabled

restart the mobo and it the secondary bios should reflash the first one. should take you back to 1.B.


hope it helps.
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I installed the 1F0 and the 1G3 and they have C1E bug...automatic lowering to low power state:mad:
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I installed the 1F0 and the 1G3 and they have C1E bug...automatic lowering to low power state:mad:

What bug is that exactly?
Using 1G3 seemingly without problems.
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