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Seems like my 2500K runs quite fine with this board. Fiddled with settings bit more yesterday night and leaved prime95 running overnight ( around 8 hours ) with 4.8Ghz and no errors, offcourse cant say its totally stable yet as needs to give some more uptime to see if its stable in idle too, but so far so good Voltage at bios is setted to 1.370v what gives 1.340v in idle and 1.376 in load.
Edited by johnnyw - 3/24/11 at 4:33am
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I'm running beta 1.10b3, just started stressing it. I set it at 42x, turn off spread spectrum and applied most of the settings suggested for this board (there's a great review by Biohazard that is up to date for the 1.8 bios).

I did set all the voltages at auto, and under load it's 1.280 vCore. I might just leave settings where they are if it's stable. I had 45x stable with the 1.8 BIOS, but how much better is 45 than 42? Or 48 vs. 45? It's linear, right?
If you're talking multiplier then no, it's not perfectly linear, but it's close. You wouldn't see huge improvements by going 45 instead of 42, but 48 would be a pretty big difference from 42. Then again, you won't be playing any games that need more than 42, so it's all a bit pointless :/
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I'm using the 1.10b3 BIOS as well, and see a definite difference between low and high vdroop. No load BSOD's usually mean your vcore is a hair low without the aid of LLC. (x124's are pretty common BSOD codes for this)

Oh, and yes - the beta BIOS are a hair high on voltages, but you'd have to seriously crank that vcore up to get load leveling to fry your chip imo. I've ran up to almost 1.6v during some testing, and lived to tell the tale. (Intel won't say officially what the safe max vcore is, only 1.52v VID which is not the same thing.)
I'm on 1.10b3 (decided to just live with not having keyboard support in this version) and I saw some improvements in vcore over 1.9b3 that I was on before. I've yet to try VDroop Control on this BIOS, but I have High Vdroop on which should be low LLC and I'm still getting the same high load voltage, so... :/

Could you tell us all your BIOS settings? I'd like to try replicating your setup.
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Anyone have idea what could make P67-GD65 to dual boot when i change settings/OC? When i reset bios to factory defaults it starts normally, but when overclocking it always turn on for few secs, then cuts off like half sec and then starts again and posts to windows normally. Atm i have 4.5GHz 1.26v and its totally stable, runned prime95 12hours with it and also played games for hours without problems but that double boot really starts to annoy me as it happens in both restart and in normal start.

Also another question is that what setting you guys are using for cpu phase control when OC:ing? I think i have it atm setted for APS.
This is the chipset resetting something. But it shouldn't have to power down like that unless a change is made that requires a full hardware cold reset (usually only stuff like PLL overvoltage does that, or having a lot of changes at once).

Does the latest beta bios fix this?

Gigabyte fixed this boot looping on their latest beta bioses, in much the same way that the major manufacturers fixed the boot looping (on restarts) on the old 975X chipset (which was the first chipset to do this). Basically, the strap has to reset, and it can only reset by a power off, but most resets can be done by having the board cycle its own power while keeping the +12v live.

Apparently, what GB did was the board STILL actually boot loops, but it doesn't cut the AC power to the power supply to do it anymore. This also helps prevent the board from losing the saved bios settings too. SOME bios changes will cause the board to immediately shut down after saving the settings, however, as a full hard reset is needed for some changes (usually changing PLL overvoltage from enabled to disabled causes that).

I actually heard the board "soft-loop" three times (I heard the video card fan spin up and down) when I went from 45x100, 1.265v to 49x100 1.4v, and after those 3 attempts (without the power shutting down), it started right on up. (50x100 failed instantly as PLL overvoltage is needed for that, up to x54 on my cpu).

If the MSI boards are still doing that "power on, off, on" cycle, then you should contact MSI to see if they can make a BIOS that can cause the board to not power cycle the +12v (PSU) if it needs to reset something.
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Yeah, I came from a qx9650 at 3.6 (old motherboard) and I am seeing huge improvements in CPU heavy games such as Black Ops. That game is so messed up. Its just so damn fun to play! It uses my GPU like 60-70%. Pretty bad.

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Black Ops has serious optimization problems, anyway.
On windows XP, with a QX9650 @ 4 ghz and a hd 4890, I would get fps from 70 to 150, usually averaging around 100. In windows 7, it was like 10 fps slower. Completely rediculous, when loading was much faster in W7. Then when I went to a 6970, my FPS in XP was almost always 100+. And still W7 seemed to have slightly slower fps. To be honest, I didn't even NEED to upgrade the CPU in black ops. I mean, I wasn't even getting more than 60% cpu usage at worst case in that game....

2600k @ 4 ghz does run the game better, though I haven't compared XP and W7 anymore. Seems like I average 130 fps cleanly...
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This is the chipset resetting something. But it shouldn't have to power down like that unless a change is made that requires a full hardware cold reset (usually only stuff like PLL overvoltage does that, or having a lot of changes at once).

Does the latest beta bios fix this?

Gigabyte fixed this boot looping on their latest beta bioses, in much the same way that the major manufacturers fixed the boot looping (on restarts) on the old 975X chipset (which was the first chipset to do this). Basically, the strap has to reset, and it can only reset by a power off, but most resets can be done by having the board cycle its own power while keeping the +12v live.

Apparently, what GB did was the board STILL actually boot loops, but it doesn't cut the AC power to the power supply to do it anymore. This also helps prevent the board from losing the saved bios settings too. SOME bios changes will cause the board to immediately shut down after saving the settings, however, as a full hard reset is needed for some changes (usually changing PLL overvoltage from enabled to disabled causes that).

I actually heard the board "soft-loop" three times (I heard the video card fan spin up and down) when I went from 45x100, 1.265v to 49x100 1.4v, and after those 3 attempts (without the power shutting down), it started right on up. (50x100 failed instantly as PLL overvoltage is needed for that, up to x54 on my cpu).

If the MSI boards are still doing that "power on, off, on" cycle, then you should contact MSI to see if they can make a BIOS that can cause the board to not power cycle the +12v (PSU) if it needs to reset something.
It is PLL overvoltage enabled what does it for me, as i said few posts ago as soon i set that auto or disabled dual boot is gone. I wont be trying beta bioses as i have very bad experiences with stuff like that borking my stuff in past so ill just wait till they get 1.10 official out.
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Hey guys, as JohnnyW might know, I've been to the MSI forum to figure out why VDroop Control isn't working. Jack, who seems to be one of the main contributors over there, was unable to help and I've contacted MSI support regarding the problem. Will be exciting to see what they say.
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Hey guys, as JohnnyW might know, I've been to the MSI forum to figure out why VDroop Control isn't working. Jack, who seems to be one of the main contributors over there, was unable to help and I've contacted MSI support regarding the problem. Will be exciting to see what they say.
I allready contacted MSI too yesterday but havetn heard anything from them yet. Will keep you guys updated too if i get some info.
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They take their time, but you usually get an answer the next day.
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As far as OC differences go, it really depends what you do, and what kind of load you put on your system. For games, hardly if any perceivable difference. But, for something like Folding@home, the difference for me between 4.6ghz and 4.8ghz was around 2 minutes in TPF for a bigadv P6901 molecule. From 26-27 minutes down to 24-25. Almost 3 hours faster per work unit. It did require a lot more voltage to achieve this though.
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If you're talking multiplier then no, it's not perfectly linear, but it's close. You wouldn't see huge improvements by going 45 instead of 42, but 48 would be a pretty big difference from 42. Then again, you won't be playing any games that need more than 42, so it's all a bit pointless :/


I'm on 1.10b3 (decided to just live with not having keyboard support in this version) and I saw some improvements in vcore over 1.9b3 that I was on before. I've yet to try VDroop Control on this BIOS, but I have High Vdroop on which should be low LLC and I'm still getting the same high load voltage, so... :/

Could you tell us all your BIOS settings? I'd like to try replicating your setup.
I'm set at 4.8Ghz @ 1.475v (my chip sucks) with all power features off.

Idle:

100% load:
Low:

High:


I'm desperately trying to iron out these new BIOS wrinkles that seem to be overvolting my CPU, but if I drop below 1.45v @ 4.8Ghz, I get x124 errors galore. Let me know if you need more specifics.

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