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We can already be independent when it comes to oil. Alaska is full of it.

And you're right, big oil companies will not let this get into consumers hands.



Do you have a face right now? They have been stifling progress for generations.



Curious in this as well.



You won't see gas prices go down ANY time soon. And if it does go down 10-50c a gallon a month later it will go up $0.50-$1 negating the small drop in price.

Gas prices will be over 4-5$ a gallon this summer, get ready.

Also, did anyone notice how this is a modified E. Coli? Last time I checked that's not something you want to come in contact with. Also, it eats carbon? Again last time I checked plants NEED carbon dioxide to live as it's part of photosynthesis. And without plants, there is no oxygen to survive for us.

Also, I'm not against this technology, but I do think it will never see the light of day other then a few news articles.
@ underlined bit only a few strains of E.Coli are dangerous to humans.
    
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How is it a setback?

I mean, even if they discovered alternative energy tonight, they would probably still burn coal for another 10 years.
Another ten years is better than another 100 wouldn't you think?

Only reason we still use fossil fuels as much as we do is because of greed. Well mostly that reason and it's the easy route.
Edited by Babel - 1/18/11 at 12:55pm
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Ya!

Carbon, don't we have that problem already, so isn't this good?

Then again, us humans release some C also if I remember correctly, so I don't see the issue much
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Another ten years is better than another 100 wouldn't you think?
Yes, my point is that just because something doesn't achieve the ultimate success, does not mean it is a setback.

If it reduces dependency on foreign oil, scrubs CO2 and doesn't require expensive resources, it is a gigantic improvement.
    
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How is it a setback?

I mean, even if they discovered alternative energy tonight, they would probably still burn coal for another 10 years.
Cheap gas cuts the incentive and the market for vehicles like the Leaf or Volt...granted Chevy were I-dots for pricing the Volt like they did. Without expensive gas as an incentive there will likely be les development in non-internal combustion engine vehicles....and we'll see a return of the Hummer days of the auto industry, and Leaf and Volt be relegated to the history books. IMHO.
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Without expensive gas as an incentive there will likely be les development in non-internal combustion engine vehicles....and we'll see a return of the Hummer days of the auto industry, and Leaf and Volt be relegated to the history books. IMHO.
I can see that.

Something tells me that there has been more of a change than automobile habits that would drive the need for alternative energy. If the only motivation to develop the technology is civil unrest, then someone needs to be fired.
    
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And set non-fossil fuel efforts back decades.
It's only fossil fuel if you're taking carbon that has been stored in the ground and releasing it into the atmosphere. It is no longer fossil fuel if you've taken CO2 out of the atmosphere to produce it.

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Can't wait to see all the green activists start shouting "OMG IT MAKES MROE FOSSIL FUELS THAT WILL KILL US ALL!!!!"
Then you don't understand the green perspective. Not only would this not be fossil fuel, it is carbon neutral.

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hmmmm... if these bacteria take in much more CO2 than the fuel they produce gives off, won't the CO2 levels in the atmosphere start to go down. If the global warming theorists are correct, we should expect that global cooling I was taught in school during the 80s? Ice age, end of days, etc...
Let's think this through for a second. If the bacteria were taking in CO2 and not doing anything with it, then where is it going? Clearly some of that carbon would go to produce new bacteria, but eventually the tanks (or ponds or whatever) will be full. What, then do you suppose would happen if the bacteria were still taking in an excess of CO2? Again: it has to go somewhere.

What happens in a typical photosynthesis cycle is that CO2 is taken in during the day, converted into sugar, and then is burned for energy. This means that at night, a plant is actually releasing CO2. I can only assume that the so-called 'extra' CO2 you refer to (which, by the way, I didn't see in the article) is actually for the use of the bacteria.

On an unrelated note, you are actually correct when you wonder about global cooling; if someone operated one of these facilities and stored the hydrocarbons away (and did it on a really large scale), the sequestered carbon would result in lowering the global levels, which could go some way to addressing the slight rise in temperatures that has [allegedly, if you wish] been observed over the last century or so. However, given that CO2 is not a particularly powerful greenhouse gas, and that the process would do nothing to reduce the levels of the more dangerous ones, you'd just be mucking about even further with a world that is already sort of fragile.

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The problem is that it only addresses carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas... Does nothing for sulfur oxides and nitrogen oxides, all of which are significant contributors to smog and air pollution. And as said, a catalytic converter can only do so much, and the best catalysts are only getting rarer and more expensive.
The thing about sulphur oxides and nitrogen oxides is that sulphur and nitrogen have to actually be present to be oxidated. Some nitrogen is inevitable, given that it's the majority of our atmosphere, but there's no reason to suppose sulphur will find its way into synthetic hydrocarbons.
Edited by MrDeodorant - 1/18/11 at 1:10pm
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Let's think this through for a second. If the bacteria were taking in CO2 and not doing anything with it, then where is it going? Clearly some of that carbon would go to produce new bacteria, but eventually the tanks (or ponds or whatever) will be full. What, then do you suppose would happen if the bacteria were still taking in an excess of CO2? Again: it has to go somewhere.

What happens in a typical photosynthesis cycle is that CO2 is taken in during the day, converted into sugar, and then is burned for energy. This means that at night, a plant is actually releasing CO2. I can only assume that the so-called 'extra' CO2 you refer to (which, by the way, I didn't see in the article) is actually for the use of the bacteria.

On an unrelated note, you are actually correct when you wonder about global cooling; if someone operated one of these facilities and stored the hydrocarbons away (and did it on a really large scale), the sequestered carbon would result in lowering the global levels, which could go some way to addressing the slight rise in temperatures that has [allegedly, if you wish] been observed over the last century or so. However, given that CO2 is not a particularly powerful greenhouse gas, and that the process would do nothing to reduce the levels of the more dangerous ones, you'd just be mucking about even further with a world that is already sort of fragile.



The thing about sulphur oxides and nitrogen oxides is that sulphur and nitrogen have to actually be present to be oxidated. Some nitrogen is inevitable, given that it's the majority of our atmosphere, but there's no reason to suppose sulphur will find its way into synthetic hydrocarbons.
Well sulpher is present in oil. There's a bunch of oil that has huge amounts of sulpher that is used but has to be scrubbed first before using. The lack of large amounts of sulphur in crude oil give it the designation of "sweet". Light sweet crude. Indicates there are some light volatile molecules. Sweet indicates it's not chocked full of sulpher.

And this story is a joke. Unlimited and on demand are perpetual motion machine jargon.
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I feel like the human race just got a little more awesome. One step closer to space zombies.
    
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Wow, if this is as good as it sounds (it rarely is), then the middle east can kiss our ***. It'd be great to have no dependence on foreign oil whatsoever. However, global warming activists won't be happy about this.

Good point, this will never see the light of day.
If they use CO2 to produce fuel, there's no reason for global warming activists to not be overjoyed about this discovery.

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Cheap gas cuts the incentive and the market for vehicles like the Leaf or Volt...granted Chevy were I-dots for pricing the Volt like they did. Without expensive gas as an incentive there will likely be les development in non-internal combustion engine vehicles....and we'll see a return of the Hummer days of the auto industry, and Leaf and Volt be relegated to the history books. IMHO.
And what would be wrong with that?
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