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So who is gonna loan the devil Snow shoes?
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So what's in Huachuca? A new kind of microwave? Aliens?
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So what's in Huachuca? A new kind of microwave? Aliens?
to the public, its the military center for intelligence training.

kinda convenient how were located VERY close to the america-mexico border dontcha think
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Sigint?
Edited by Ding Chavez - 1/23/11 at 11:42am
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Too bad almost all of our power comes from burning hydrocarbons. It will be a long, long time before the general public accepts nuclear, and the upfront monetary cost of solar along with its huge use of land puts it out of the running for the foreseeable future.
Nuclear power is still un-sustainable. You are still relying on man-made energy and not utilizing natural energy, and you are increasing the amount of nuclear material/knowledge available to the black market. Nuclear is simply a reactionary solution to a society steeped in excessive consumption. CO2 isn't just produced by cars and factories. It's also produced by huge industrial farms, a direct result of mass consumption.

I agree nuclear power is better than coal, but I wouldn't support a nuclear lobby. We'd be much better off de-centralizing our energy supplies. I guess you didn't really say nuclear power was the bee's knees, but I just wanted to make this point.

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Electric cars would help with pollution, to an extent, but to actually bring work places closer to where people actually live, where people could take buses or simply walk, and to have infrastructure where people could work from home, these would yield very real benefits.
Agreed. Urbansprawl needs to be part of the solution. Degredation is way too complicated for one solution. With manufacturing jobs continuing to leave the country and the internet's takeover, we may well become more rural, or at least less suburbanized. Urbansprawl has such deep cultural and social basies though, it would be hard to make living on less land popular.

I see future consumption pushing two ways: the bulk of the popultion lives in jut a few cities and one ore two corporations run the bulk of the distribution of products. The other is we became way more rural through technology that local consumption is sparked and we rely less on large-scale industry and more on local/self production of necessities. The rural scenario may result in a few major cities as well, but their size will be trumped, I think, by rural pop. size.
Edited by slytown - 1/23/11 at 4:30pm
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the question is will it still smell as good as gasoline?
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If people cared about the environment, they would get rid of their inefficiencies, like working closer to home so they could walk, or getting rid of the four SUVs in the driveway...
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Nuclear power is still un-sustainable.

You are still relying on man-made energy and not utilizing natural energy, and you are increasing the amount of nuclear material/knowledge available to the black market.
Elaborate, make a point here if you have one. More nuclear material available on the black market? Sure, on the offshoot chance that depleted uranium is somehow stolen from the containment centers (where it is very well documented and well stored), the uranium must be enriched, requiring MASSIVE centrifuges. But, if they have centrifuges, they can just go find some yellow cake and do the same, anyways. You seem to be spewing poorly formulated incendiary sentences around here, my friend.
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Nuclear power is still un-sustainable.
Nuclear is simply a reactionary solution to a society steeped in excessive consumption.
Please explain how Nuclear power is reactionary?! I would love to hear this!
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Nuclear power is still un-sustainable.
CO2 isn't just produced by cars and factories. It's also produced by huge industrial farms, a direct result of mass consumption.
This is correct and unrelated.
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I agree nuclear power is better than coal, but I wouldn't support a nuclear lobby. We'd be much better off de-centralizing our energy supplies.
Why? Smaller power plants are more expensive to produce, less efficient, and rarely compensate for the transmission losses they were intended to correct for. If on the other hand, you are referring to solar panels, wind turbines, on a domestic level, it is very clear that this is a poor allocation of resources, as they will be in non optimal locations, by the very definition! Both in terms of acoustics and aesthetics, but more importantly, in terms of environmental conditions-- there is a reason why wind turbines are almost along the coast line (due to wind patterns caused by some very interesting thermal interactions).

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Degredation is way too complicated for one solution.
You have some points that are to be made, but make them, my friend! Nuclear fission, is never going to be THE answer, as there is, at this stage, no single answer, but it is through the balancing of the benefits of many different methods and energy sources, according to their pros and cons, that we make the best decisions about where to place our energy budget. At this point in time, nuclear power is the answer that is most economical and environmentally sound, and simply, viable.
We get approximately 20% of our energy from nuclear currently.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electri...m/epm_sum.html
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Elaborate, make a point here if you have one. More nuclear material available on the black market? Sure, on the offshoot chance that depleted uranium is somehow stolen from the containment centers (where it is very well documented and well stored), the uranium must be enriched, requiring MASSIVE centrifuges. But, if they have centrifuges, they can just go find some yellow cake and do the same, anyways. You seem to be spewing poorly formulated incendiary sentences around here, my friend.

Please explain how Nuclear power is reactionary?! I would love to hear this!


Why? Smaller power plants are more expensive to produce, less efficient, and rarely compensate for the transmission losses they were intended to correct for. If on the other hand, you are referring to solar panels, wind turbines, on a domestic level, it is very clear that this is a poor allocation of resources, as they will be in non optimal locations, by the very definition! Both in terms of acoustics and aesthetics, but more importantly, in terms of environmental conditions-- there is a reason why wind turbines are almost along the coast line (due to wind patterns caused by some very interesting thermal interactions).


You have some points that are to be made, but make them, my friend! Nuclear fission, is never going to be THE answer, as there is, at this stage, no single answer, but it is through the balancing of the benefits of many different methods and energy sources, according to their pros and cons, that we make the best decisions about where to place our energy budget. At this point in time, nuclear power is the answer that is most economical and environmentally sound, and simply, viable.
We get approximately 20% of our energy from nuclear currently.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electri...m/epm_sum.html
Just because nuclear energy is regulated and exists already doesn't make it ok.

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/9/2...he_solution_to

The problem is nuclear energy companies have a vested interest to expand, which means greater amounts of consumption. By focusing on nuclear energy, say we converted all our power plants to nuclear tommorow, it increases geometrically the risks and waste associated with nuclear power. You can say how well safe-guarded the waste and fuel will be in the short term, but you have to understand the increased long term threat. The USA is very very young. Electrical power has only beeen around for less than 200 years. Is it really feasible to neglect the life of nuclear waste and expect the protection of these plants to last as long as the US has existed? What about when competition forces plants to shut-down. How do those closed sites become monitored?

My point is that we are supplementing our cultural need for me stuff by neglecting the long-term effects of that need. In addition to a focus on circular and renewable energy, we need to simply get away from this Jacksonian idea of progress; the world isn't for the taking.
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