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I guess you don't realize how much fossil fuels are used in agriculture, do you? Vehicles to plow and sew, in fertilizer and pesticides, as well as the reaping and conversion...

In all the best case scenarios you're looking at a net gain of a bit more than 1:1 ratio. In the worst, you're looking at a net loss. In any case, the reason we have cheap ethanol is because we use fossil fuels to produce it. There is no sustainable replacement for fossil fuels.

Everyone here who is under 30 will definitely see crisis-level energy shortages in your lifetimes.

At some point in the not so distant future, cell phones, ipods, your computers... will be luxury items only the insanely rich will be able to use regularly.
Don't be ridiculous. According to Biodiesel experts at the University of New Hampshire only 15,000 square miles (122 x 122 miles) of algae in open ponds could produce enough biofuel to provide 100% of America's fuel for transportation. Transportation is about 67% of America's fuel consumption.

This is if we are talking about un-genetically engineered algae growing in ponds, not engineered photosynthetic E.coli grown in a bioreactor.

E.coli is the fastest growing organism known to man.

Biofuels are easily capable of providing 100% of our fuel needs.
Edited by Epitope - 1/25/11 at 6:45am
    
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This sounds like hype to me. Seems like Joule is looking for some venture money because they want a payday or something.

I talked to a chemical engineering PhD student over at MIT about this and here's what he said:

"A huge population of people are working on converting CO2 to fuels. I was working on this at Berkeley. From what they say about needing solar panels, their process can't be much more efficient than anyone else's.

Unfortunately the majority of this sounds like pure hype, but we'll find out in 2012."

It would be great if this ended our oil dependence though.
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I guess you don't realize how much fossil fuels are used in agriculture, do you? Vehicles to plow and sew, in fertilizer and pesticides, as well as the reaping and conversion...

In all the best case scenarios you're looking at a net gain of a bit more than 1:1 ratio. In the worst, you're looking at a net loss. In any case, the reason we have cheap ethanol is because we use fossil fuels to produce it. There is no sustainable replacement for fossil fuels.

Everyone here who is under 30 will definitely see crisis-level energy shortages in your lifetimes.

At some point in the not so distant future, cell phones, ipods, your computers... will be luxury items only the insanely rich will be able to use regularly.
We, humans, are a clever species. I am 100% sure that if no natural disaster (or man-made in this case) wipes us off the face of the Earth, we will not allow an energy crisis to occur. We WILL invent a perpetual motion machine. It's just a matter of time.
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Wow, if this is as good as it sounds (it rarely is), then the middle east can kiss our ***. It'd be great to have no dependence on foreign oil whatsoever. However, global warming activists won't be happy about this.



Good point, this will never see the light of day.
If you think the US will ever "break free" from the middle east OR that the USA is only buying it because they need it, you couldn't be more wrong.
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Think harder!

Biological warfare research is highly more likely to cause the scenario you are talking about, and has been happening for decades. These types of bacteria are mutated, handled and studied day in and day out by 20 something year old grad students all over the country.
I understand. I just feel that adequate testing needs to be done before I will ever get near the stuff.
    
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Our whole modern civilization runs on fossil fuels. Oil and coal. Before the global financial crisis oil was at about $150US a barrel. Black gold, oil is power. As the Saudis say 'the stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones'. We will reach peak oil production soon if we haven't already. Oil prices can only go one way, up. China and India's growing demand for oil will increase rapidly putting further upward pressure on prices.
Then there's global warming which at this stage is unavoidable as none of the major emitters are capable of reducing anything. Science certainly has a lot to do to try to address these major problems of our time.

The Earth is going to start getting vaporized by the sun in about 1 to 2 billion years anyway so I wouldn't worry too much.
Then there's the zombie threat which is even more serious...

Edit: Former US vice president Dick Cheney started a top secret program with the objective of combating the zombie threat. Codenamed operation dropkick it's aim to use mind control on the zombie population and use them as weapons in the war on terror.
Edited by Ding Chavez - 1/24/11 at 7:32pm
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I agree.

Can this bio oil help us with the looming threat of zombies?
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I agree.

Can this bio oil help us with the looming threat of zombies?
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Long live science. Death to....
all kittens?
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The oil companies would want this, they would fight to the death over this tech, a way to gain a neigh impenetrable monopoly on the industry
    
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