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Sorry guys, I'm at work right now and typing long paragraphs on my phone is kinda tedious so I will have to leave the discussion for later. I'll just close by saying that if the discovery in the OP pans out it will be one of the most important and beneficial discoveries to humanity in our short history here on earth. Cheap and renewable energy for the entire globe would radically improve the lives of billions of people worldwide. I can't imagine anybody being against that...
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Sorry guys, I'm at work right now and typing long paragraphs on my phone is kinda tedious so I will have to leave the discussion for later. I'll just close by saying that if the discovery in the OP pans out it will be one of the most important and beneficial discoveries to humanity in our short history here on earth. Cheap and renewable energy for the entire globe would radically improve the lives of billions of people worldwide. I can't imagine anybody being against that...
You're quite right, and if you wouldn't mind, I'd be very interested to know which part of the scientific basis to the global climate change theory you disagree with; for example, perhaps you believe in the greenhouse effect but don't believe that our greenhouse emissions have been sufficient to enact a change, or perhaps you believe that the world has some sort of coping mechanism that would counteract any increase in temperatures. It's easier to have a rational conversation when you know what the other person believes.
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I'll come back when I get off of work tonight. Have a nice discussion...
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Yes, "recognized" universities like East Anglia and their cooked numbers?
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/gene...scientists_say

They included Ralph Cicerone, president of the National Academy of Sciences; James McCarthy, a Harvard climate scientist and chairman of the board of directors of the American Association for the Advancement of Science; Nobel Prize winner Phillip Sharp of MIT, who co-chaired the NAS report last year: “Ensuring the Integrity, Accessibility, and Stewardship of Research Data in the Digital Age;” and Astronomer Royal Martin Rees, President of Britain’s Royal Society.

They spoke as part of a “late-breaking” session at the AAAS annual meeting – one that was co-sponsored by the National Academy of Sciences. Its stated theme: ensuring the transparency and integrity of science. However, its organizers conceded that what prompted them to shoehorn the session into the meeting were a series of back-to-back climate controversies that played out daily in news accounts over the past several months.

The “Climate-gate emails” and concerns over Himalayan glacial-melt data in a 2007 IPCC report together served as “sort of a wake-up call,” McCarthy said. But a wake-up call that he and others initially all but ignored.

The climate-science community, of which he is a part (he was a co-chair of an IPCC working group) largely dismissed the news revelations as accounts of bumbling behavior by well-meaning if overworked scientists. It didn’t appear “that this would be a very big deal for anyone,” McCarthy explained, because none of these revelations altered the weight of the evidence indicating that climate has been changing rapidly and that human activities appear to be fueling much of that change.

But in retrospect, he now says, complacency over those revelations “was wrong.”
For many people not grounded in science, or at least not in climate science, “the question arose as to whether the validity – the robustness – of the underlying science relating to climate should now be called into question,” McCarthy acknowledges.
    
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If you think about it, this new E. coli bacterium will be pulling CO2 out of the air. So in effect the fuel made this way will have a neutral impact on the environment.
In fact this fuel will be cleaner then current fuels it will lack the poisonous compounds, and heavy metals used to boost the octane in gasoline. Also the bio-diesel will have no sulfur in it.
This can only be a good thing its not like humans will discover a more effective way of storing energy any time soon.
Edited by Wabbits - 6/5/11 at 5:54pm
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wow ignorance knows no bounds, u mad? , if we didnt have "idiot dreamers" would the great inventors of our times get anything done? Great inventions, science and ideas start with a dream and if u had any education on the history of cold fusion u wouldnt make a asinine comment such as that
Nothing wrong with aspiring to something, I was talking about these people who continually say they have solved something when they clearly haven't.
    
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If you think about it, this new E. coli bacterium will be pulling CO2 out of the air. So in effect the fuel made this way will have a neutral impact on the environment.
In fact this fuel will be cleaner then current fuels it will lack the poisonous compounds, and heavy metals used to boost the octane in gasoline. Also the bio-diesel will have no sulfur in it.
This can only be a good thing its not like humans will discover a more effective way of storing energy any time soon.
Well, it does raise the question of where the hydrogen comes from. If it takes a crapload of water to produce the hydrocarbons, and we're already in a bit of a water crunch, then that's a bit of a problem. I wonder if it could be tweaked to be compatible with seawater instead of freshwater.
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Salt water is still h2o, so it may not require any modification at all. They could also pull the hydrogen from the air we breath, where they get the carbon.
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Salt water is still h2o, so it may not require any modification at all. They could also pull the hydrogen from the air we breath, where they get the carbon.
Not all organisms can tolerate the salt. If you drank nothing but salt water, you'd die pretty quickly. Also, I think the water content of our atmosphere is too variable for reliable fuel production, even if you were able to condense enough moisture out of it. I think if that were a feasible way to get enough water to combine with CO2 to produce hydrocarbons, then that would be how plants get the water they use to produce sugars, rather than root systems.
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E.coli is weakly salt tolerant, but has been shown to be able to increase its salt tolerance by use of glycine betaine. This allows it to better retain water, combating saline dehydration.

However, the activation of this system may sequester molecules away from other metabolic pathways, or certain molecules within the glycine betaine system could inhibit the fuel biosynthesis pathway.
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