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Looking at the last 50 years or so of oil-driven economy it is easy to see how wrong you are with this comment.
Looking at your comments in this thread it's easy to see how ignorant you are. Don't you understand that this would move us away from an oil-driven economy?


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Dude. Even a high-end expensive solar panel is only about 15-20% efficient...At high-noon on the equator that means a 1 m^2 of solar panels pulls in around 100-200W of energy. To power my computer would take most of the roof of my house....and I don't live on the equator-and high noon only happens once per day. See the problem?
You're right about that, though.
Edited by flamingoyster - 1/18/11 at 9:39am
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I wonder if the publicity this find is getting has to do with the volume of crude being traded in currencies other than the US dollar . . .

Now that the monopoly is broken, who knows what tech will be allowed to (re)emerge.



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I'll bet money the gases burned out the tailpipes in cars outweigh the gases used to make the fuel.

I'd take that bet.

2CO^2 + 2H^2O + these bacteria + sunlight ---> Ethene + 3O^2

Ethene + 3O^2 + combustion engine ---> 2CO^2 + 2H^2O


Like all reactions, you're just changing the arrangement of atoms. The same atoms are still there - you are not creating more atoms in the exhaust of a car than what you put into the gas tank and air intake.

It like cellular respiration and photosynthesis. Human waste is plant food, and plant waste is human food. Car waste is this bacteria's food, and this bacteria's waste is car fuel. Its a game of trading the same stuff back and forth, and changing the traded goods a little bit each time using solar energy.
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Looking at your comments in this thread it's easy to see how ignorant you are. Don't you understand that this would move us away from an oil-driven economy?




You're right about that, though.
No it drives us into being more of an oil-driven economy.

50 years of history show us that whenever gas prices spike in the US is when serious effort is put in to alternative fuels/engines. A la Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf etc...when gas prices plummet to "reasonable", investors/inventors shelve their efforts. Chrysler and the fuel-cell engine for example.

The local airport in NowHere is a monument to the oil-driven economy. It is on the top-20 space-shuttle landing sites. It was constructed during the BOOM cycle of the aviation industry in the US Midwest. Then a few years later the gas crisis hit. And like LOTS of places in the midwest went from being a hub of activity to an industrial ghost site and has been so ever since.
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No it drives us into being more of an oil-driven economy.

50 years of history show us that whenever gas prices spike in the US is when serious effort is put in to alternative fuels/engines. A la Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf etc...when gas prices plummet to "reasonable", investors/inventors shelve their efforts. Chrysler and the fuel-cell engine for example.

The local airport in NowHere is a monument to the oil-driven economy. It is on the top-20 space-shuttle landing sites. It was constructed during the BOOM cycle of the aviation industry in the US Midwest. Then a few years later the gas crisis hit. And like LOTS of places in the midwest went from being a hub of activity to an industrial ghost site and has been so ever since.
This energy doesn't rely on oil at all. At $30 a barrel, it's going to be much cheaper than oil, too. Cheaper, more energy efficient, much cleaner, requires no hazardous harvesting of materials...did I mention it's cheaper? There's literally no reason to not switch to this technology. I guarantee you it will, WILL, be ramped up in the next few years to large scale production.

Honestly, it kind of seems like your anecdotal evidence is biasing your view of this technology.
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This energy doesn't rely on oil at all.
Then explain, exactly, what we would be using to drive the cars?

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At $30 a barrel, it's going to be much cheaper than oil, too.
What is $30 a barrel? Gas? A petroleum product? How is that not oil?


Sure, you are bypassing having to get crude from the ground, but at the end of the day the effect is the same...
    
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How long are we going to play this game, buddy?
That's CO2 created during the process of making the fuel, he was talking about greenhouse gasses emitted from vehicles.

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I don't think it's possible to produce more gases than you use to create the oil... But I'm not that far in my education
More than gas is used to create the fossil fuels in this process, things like sunlight and possibly more may also be required.
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Something some people are ignoring here is that most patents to other energy sources, electricity conversion, and batteries are owned by oil companies to stop those energy sources from flourishing.

What would be the worst thing to the scarcity-driven oil industry? Obviously an alternative energy source that's not scarce at all.
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So many gullible people willing to readily believe whatever they're told.

If this is truly the case... invest every penny you can afford into them. In 5-10 years you'll be a billionaire.

We've already hit peak oil production... if you know anything about this, you'll know it's not a laughing matter.

I'd really like to see this work, but sounds too good to be true. There has to be a catch.

The world uses 80-100 million barrels of oil a day. To think this patented process can come anywhere close to this in the short time it needs to?

Does anyone here realize how screwed the world will be in 5-15 years from now?
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What is $30 a barrel? Gas? A petroleum product? How is that not oil?
Because it ain't "crude" oil. With crude, you separate it into oil, natural-gas, diesel, gasoline etc..and lots of other stuff. ANYthing you own that is made of plastic for example is a product of crude oil. i.e. a petroleum byproduct.
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Then explain, exactly, what we would be using to drive the cars?



What is $30 a barrel? Gas? A petroleum product? How is that not oil?


Sure, you are bypassing having to get crude from the ground, but at the end of the day the effect is the same...
We don't drive our cars on oil. That's why green efforts in biofuels assert themselves as edging away from our reliance on oil. This does the same thing in that sense...we're getting fuel (diesel fuel, jet fuel and gasoline, as mentioned in the article) but not from oil.

Do you understand the significance of this? Oil is a limited resource that is quickly running out. If we can make fuel through methods other than conventional crude oil, then our reliance on oil is completely mitigated.
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