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When the addition of a single OH group to a molecule can turn a benign molecule into an alkylating agent (cancer), I think some trepidation would be beneficial in dealing with companies that are more concerned with produce yields than the lingering effects of exogenous genetic material in the human body.
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When the addition of a single OH group to a molecule can turn a benign molecule into an alkylating agent (cancer), I think some trepidation would be beneficial in dealing with companies that are more concerned with produce yields than the lingering effects of exogenous genetic material in the human body.
well said +rep
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Are u aware that the good evidence is bought and payed for by both sides,.[/url]
Fixed it for you.

Post evidence from a group without an agenda, like i did.

Thanks.
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When the addition of a single OH group to a molecule can turn a benign molecule into an alkylating agent (cancer), I think some trepidation would be beneficial in dealing with companies that are more concerned with produce yields than the lingering effects of exogenous genetic material in the human body.
Um... No. I don't think you know what you're talking about. Alkylating agents are used to treat cancer, though yes they can be toxic. But the chemistry here is complex, and only a few molecules become alkylating agents from the addition of just an OH group. I think you may be confusing "alkylating agents" with other types of molecules, such as alkanes, alkaloids, alcohols, etc. which sound similar but are in fact completely different.


The username "BigPharma" also raises alarm bells.
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Fixed it for you.

Post evidence from a group without an agenda, like i did.

Thanks.
What a blog post that states 50 authoritative independent scientific assessments, where are the links to these reports im just supposed to believe them? I will take my info from those people on the ground in those videos who have no education and were suckered out of there land by monsanto and there dirty tatics, u really have to try hard to not see the dirty game monsanto plays on unsuspecting third would countries and i include America in that.
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Reality Check: the latest science indicates that cel phones and cel phone towers microwave transmissions are what is killing my beloved bees...not GMOs. GMOs are not something I like to eat...but if one of those buggers will make fuel for my gas guzzling truck I am all for it. If a GMO will prevent us from making a really stupid decision (going back to Nuclear Power) I am all for it. EM pollution is still not on most people's radar...but I take the matter seriously. The invisible nearly undetectable pollution of our electromagnetic environment is increasing exponentially.

And before I believe any claims about Evil Monsanto and their NWO agenda I'd like to see some citations, links, corroborating evidence. There is no black and white to the issue. All corporations do good things and bad things for the human population. It's a matter of weighing the good against the bad and deciding if they can continue their course of action.
There were one or two studies that monitored the effects of cell phone radiation on bee colononies--hardly in a scientific method that allowed for logical conclusions to be made about "normal" RF levels and their effect (they strapped high-powered RF antennas TO a colony and generated RF frequencies in the cell-phone range for long periods of time).

Are there effects of RF radiation on bees (and other biological systems)? Perhaps. Is that what is causing their decline? We don't know (I say no, but that's my opinion). What the studies don't address, however, is the wide-spread decline in bee populations all over the world, specifically in areas that don't have cell phone towers for hundreds (if not thousands) of miles, with negligible ambient RF radiation levels.

I am not in a position to conclude that all of our RF radiation is NOT having a negative effect on biological systems. But there are much more obvious and logical reasons for why certain biological systems are displaying changes in populations and behaviors--the most obvious is change in the solar cycle, for example, with the whole idea of the butterfly effect.

I'm also NOT saying that "gmo's" are to blame--we don't know that either. But there is far more damning evidence for them. Did you hear about the study that was done where rats were fed monsanto genetically-modified soy with their regular food? In the third generation of offspring (of non-inbred offspring), the rats had hair-growing pustules inside of their mouths, had numerous neurological disorders, and were practically sterile (as if they could breed properly with their neurological disorders). It was the most ordinary amount of GMO food too--not like they were fed 100% GMO products either. And the control group was normal. This was repeated many times, and after reading the study, I don't think it had bias. That's far more terrifying and convincing to me than the one or two studies involving RF radiation effects on bee colonies.

Then again, if eating GMO foods causes sterility then perhaps we should welcome it with open arms.
    
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Yes, an alkylating agent can be given to treat cancer, but guess what one of the side effects of this medication is, cancer! Alkylating agents bind non-specifically to cellular molecules, including DNA. This is why they are given as anti-cancer therapy. However, they do not only bind to the tumor DNA, they also bind to normal tissue, which in turn could lead to cancer. I was simply making a point that minute changes in chemical structure can cause massive changes in the real world.
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You must have tried really hard not to click on the "sources" tab. Nice try.

And once again, I can narrate a video of a bunch of poor people and say Monsanto or any other big corporation did it too. Whare are YOUR sources. YouTube videos =/= not a source.

One truly sad thing about people like you on the internet is you listen to other people on the internet. The "if its a rich corporation it must be bad for everyone" is so played out, tired, and unbased in any type of fact that its sickening.

The fact that people were all about this renewable fossile fuels idea until they heard that somone from a big corporation invested in it boggles my mind. Why would someone with money and means NOT put money into this?! Have you stopped and thought that maybe the only agenda he has is to become MORE rich? Despite what the masses on tinfoil hat wearing, anti-business sheep on the internet think and say....there's nothing wrong with getting rich.
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Yes, an alkylating agent can be given to treat cancer, but guess what one of the side effects of this medication is, cancer! Alkylating agents bind non-specifically to cellular molecules, including DNA. This is why they are given as anti-cancer therapy. However, they do not only bind to the tumor DNA, they also bind to normal tissue, which in turn could lead to cancer. I was simply making a point that minute changes in chemical structure can cause massive changes in the real world.
There are also focusing on human effects too much, there is no telling what gmo do to the ecosystem. Gmo crops are cross pollinating genuine crops which in turn destroys them and the land they grow on, ask the organic farmers in the states growing near gmo farms if there crops are ok and not affected by this frankenfood.

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You must have tried really hard not to click on the "sources" tab. Nice try.
O i did and it listed most of the article being written by an inhouse scientific board of members from alot of pharma companies and sun systems, im still looking for the links to these "50 authoritative independent scientific assessments"(sounds like the use of big words to make them sound official) as there is none heres the source page on the article http://www.greenfacts.org/en/gmo/about-gmo.htm where do you see the 50 sources? Are u really trying to ignore those indigenous people in those videos giving there lives to protest so people like you will see what they went through? And stop assuming i hate corporation as i do not, but monsanto is a evil company period and really weak on your part to bring up tin foil hats nice distraction keep ignoring the facts and reading your company sponsored newspaper. And if u cant see that getting rich on the deaths of poor people is bad then i cant help you with that u need more then i can help you with.
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There were one or two studies that monitored the effects of cell phone radiation on bee colononies--hardly in a scientific method that allowed for logical conclusions to be made about "normal" RF levels and their effect (they strapped high-powered RF antennas TO a colony and generated RF frequencies in the cell-phone range for long periods of time).

Are there effects of RF radiation on bees (and other biological systems)? Perhaps. Is that what is causing their decline? We don't know (I say no, but that's my opinion). What the studies don't address, however, is the wide-spread decline in bee populations all over the world, specifically in areas that don't have cell phone towers for hundreds (if not thousands) of miles, with negligible ambient RF radiation levels.

I am not in a position to conclude that all of our RF radiation is NOT having a negative effect on biological systems. But there are much more obvious and logical reasons for why certain biological systems are displaying changes in populations and behaviors--the most obvious is change in the solar cycle, for example, with the whole idea of the butterfly effect.

I'm also NOT saying that "gmo's" are to blame--we don't know that either. But there is far more damning evidence for them. Did you hear about the study that was done where rats were fed monsanto genetically-modified soy with their regular food? In the third generation of offspring (of non-inbred offspring), the rats had hair-growing pustules inside of their mouths, had numerous neurological disorders, and were practically sterile (as if they could breed properly with their neurological disorders). It was the most ordinary amount of GMO food too--not like they were fed 100% GMO products either. And the control group was normal. This was repeated many times, and after reading the study, I don't think it had bias. That's far more terrifying and convincing to me than the one or two studies involving RF radiation effects on bee colonies.

Then again, if eating GMO foods causes sterility then perhaps we should welcome it with open arms.
The bee decline thing was pretty much solved a year or so ago. Bees were bred and interbred too much and genetic diversity dropped too low; they were fed on crop monocultures that didn't provide all the nutrients they needed; also a new strain of parasitic mite evolved. All this combined to result in bees with weakened immune systems becoming infected with the new mite, and dying. In the short term bee keepers are medicating their colonies, and over the long term they and farmers will be changing practices to make sure the bees get the nutrition they need by always giving them access to a variety of crops, not just one or two.
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