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There are also focusing on human effects too much, there is no telling what gmo do to the ecosystem. Gmo crops are cross pollinating genuine crops which in turn destroys them and the land they grow on, ask the organic farmers in the states growing near gmo farms if there crops are ok and not affected by this frankenfood.



O i did and it listed most of the article being written by an inhouse scientific board of members from alot of pharma companies and sun systems, im still looking for the links to these "50 authoritative independent scientific assessments"(sounds like the use of big words to make them sound official) as there is none heres the source page on the article http://www.greenfacts.org/en/gmo/about-gmo.htm where do you see the 50 sources? Are u really trying to ignore those indigenous people in those videos giving there lives to protest so people like you will see what they went through? And stop assuming i hate corporation as i do not, but monsanto is a evil company period and really weak on your part to bring up tin foil hats nice distraction keep ignoring the facts and reading your company sponsored newspaper.
The source document for this Digest states:

The scientific evidence concerning the environmental and health impacts of genetic engineering is still emerging. This chapter briefly summarizes the current state of scientific knowledge on the potential health and environmental risks (Box 17) associated with genetic engineering in food and agriculture, followed by a discussion of the role of international standard-setting bodies in harmonizing risk analysis procedures for these products (Box 18). The scientific evidence presented in this chapter relies largely on a recent report from the International Council for Science (ICSU, 2003 - referred to hereafter as ICSU). The ICSU report draws on 50 independent scientific assessments carried out by authoritative groups in different parts of the world, including the FAO/WHO Codex Alimentarius Commission, the European Commission, the OECD and the national science academies of many countries such as Australia, Brazil, China, France, India, the United Kingdom and the United States. In addition, this chapter draws on recent scientific evaluations from the Nuffield Council on Bioethics (2003 - referred to hereafter as Nuffield Council), the United Kingdom GM Science Review Panel (2003 - referred to hereafter as GM Science Review Panel) and the Royal Society (2003 - referred to hereafter as Royal Society) that were not available when the ICSU report was prepared. There is a substantial degree of consensus within the scientific community on many of the major safety questions concerning transgenic products, but scientists disagree on some issues, and gaps in knowledge remain.



The sources are all listed there. I wouldn't say that any of those are "in-house"
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There is a substantial degree of consensus within the scientific community on many of the major safety questions concerning transgenic products, but scientists disagree on some issues, and gaps in knowledge remain.
So what is your interpretation of that line from your article claiming gmo is safe, can you say that gmo is 100 percent safe and we know all there is to it?This paper definetly doesnt. It says nothing except scientists cant agree, what else is new. But also in the conclusion it states "Thus far, in those countries where transgenic crops have been grown, there have been no verifiable reports of them causing any significant health or environmental harm" are you kidding me i am supposed to take that seriously? A couple of gmo products might be safe but when a company like monsanto dominates the field there is going to be no benefit to mankind, it troubles me that people on this above average IQ forum are still blind to monsantos terrible ethics.
Edited by Ironcobra - 7/14/11 at 9:51am
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Why do these threads always devolve like this?

edit- I don't care about any of the GMO debate and I'm not jumping in but... you don't like Monsanto go buy them and shut them down and sit on their tech. 40 billion it's yours.

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:MON
Edited by dave12 - 7/14/11 at 10:09am
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LOL...so true...I'm done with the GMO tangent.

That being said, I hope more peeople that are able to dump money in this. It has a lot of potential, and based on the preliminary information that is available, I don't see a major downside yet.
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They've crafted a board of strategy, including Ex-Monsanto members.
I'd rather work with Satan than ex-Monsanto executives. At least Satan is more honest.
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There will be risks to any new endeavor. Unless we make informed decisions endeavors that could possibly put lives in jeopardy or ecosystems out of balance will be attempted all in the name of making some money. When the only question is "will it make money" we've got a problem. Yet our entire global economic structure supports this reckless behavior. Corporate law protects this reckless behavior. And a select few people with large assets benefit.

Yes I want fuel that does not require drilling into the Earth. But I also see the risk of using a GMO to accomplish this. Until there is more transparency to the process no one will be in a position to make an informed decision...and that is exactly why such research is done out of the public eye.
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LOL...so true...I'm done with the GMO tangent.
You should be you aren't getting anywhere

On-topic- There is no way this will trickle down to the consumer, with executives like this picking it up that you can be sure of.
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There will be risks to any new endeavor. Unless we make informed decisions endeavors that could possibly put lives in jeopardy or ecosystems out of balance will be attempted all in the name of making some money. When the only question is "will it make money" we've got a problem. Yet our entire global economic structure supports this reckless behavior. Corporate law protects this reckless behavior. And a select few people with large assets benefit.

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Yup! Same stuff happens with drug testing. Very few drugs are said to be 100% safe. Even some of the most common ones that are thought to be... well, they are generally as safe as a GMO (to our knowledge at this time).

The problem is a lot of our current drugs have only been in testing for less than 50 years. Or lets set that aside and put a better example into play. We know how bad radiation poisoning can be. We knew most of the dangers, though we NEVER could have told you how bad it wouldn't have been until we dropped a deuce on Japan. We are STILL gathering scientific data over 50 years later about this that we never even imagined.

Short version, it takes generations to fully understand the health risks of any product on a species. For all we know there could be a common used chemical that has been causing the rise of birth defects (made up, I don't even know if there is a rise). That is the problem, we advance this crap so fast we can't test it before the next big advancement comes that needs to be tested.
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People are complaining about an EX-Monsanto employee who was in charge of funds and competitor acquirement when they will be competing with oil companies?

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This is shameful. Sure those guys are gonna make a butt load of money; but what about the environment? We shouls focus on alternative energy sources instead of polluting hydrocarbons
Yes! Lets keep going after alternative energy and totally ignore the renewable version of fossil fuels, that extracts the waste burning fossil fuels puts in the air to generate the new fossil fuels no less, that we already have the technology for! Lets complain about this one start up company and their tiny piece of land that will help alleviate foreign oil dependance and the need for off shore drilling! The end is nigh!
Edited by Kirmie - 7/14/11 at 3:59pm
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Edit #2: 7/13/11
They've crafted a board of strategy, including Ex-Monsanto members.

http://www.jouleunlimited.com/news/2...advisory-board
That's the worst thing that could happen to this technology. Monsanto is a horrible company, and anyone who was involved in their behavior for that long can't be a good influence.
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