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Originally Posted by willis888 View Post
I wonder if the publicity this find is getting has to do with the volume of crude being traded in currencies other than the US dollar . . .

Now that the monopoly is broken, who knows what tech will be allowed to (re)emerge.






I'd take that bet.

2CO^2 + 2H^2O + these bacteria + sunlight ---> Ethene + 3O^2

Ethene + 3O^2 + combustion engine ---> 2CO^2 + 2H^2O


Like all reactions, you're just changing the arrangement of atoms. The same atoms are still there - you are not creating more atoms in the exhaust of a car than what you put into the gas tank and air intake.

It like cellular respiration and photosynthesis. Human waste is plant food, and plant waste is human food. Car waste is this bacteria's food, and this bacteria's waste is car fuel. Its a game of trading the same stuff back and forth, and changing the traded goods a little bit each time using solar energy.
That assumes the atmosphere is 100% O2.

Hopefully these microbes do not escape into the environment, regardless of how useful they are.
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post #62 of 801
Just did the calculations...
  • 800 barrels of oil per acre per year.
  • US uses 7 billion barrels of oil per year.
  • 640 acres in a square mile.

That gives us 7 billion / 800 / 640 = 13,671 square miles of needed land to match what we currently use. (About the size of Maryland)....That actually isn't too terrible...about the size of Maryland but there is still a massive amount of unused space in the US.

There may be a way to "stack" the "farms" but that is a huge amount of space needed to produce what we currently use.
Edited by Shadowclock - 1/18/11 at 10:28am
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post #63 of 801
Uh, how about we just keep moving towards solar energy...

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Then explain, exactly, what we would be using to drive the cars?
Gasoline. Diesel for some.


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What is $30 a barrel? Gas? A petroleum product? How is that not oil?
The energy released by $30 of bacterialy produced hydrocarbons is equal to the energy produced by one barrel of crude.


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Sure, you are bypassing having to get crude from the ground, but at the end of the day the effect is the same...
The effect is not the same. With crude, you take carbon that is sequestered deep underground and release it into the atmosphere. With these bacteria, you take carbon that is in the atmosphere and sequester it into a liquid stored in your car, then release it back into the atmosphere, then use more bacteria to take it back out of the atmosphere . . . repeat.


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That's CO2 created during the process of making the fuel, he was talking about greenhouse gasses emitted from vehicles.
CO2 is not created during the process of making the fuel (electrical generation for the tanks filled with bacteria aside, but that should come from a nuclear plant anyway). In fact, the opposite is true - CO2 is removed from the atmosphere. The bacteria eat CO2 and poop gasoline.



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More than gas is used to create the fossil fuels in this process, things like sunlight and possibly more may also be required.
Sunlight, water, and whatever factory equipment is needed to maintain the right conditions in the tanks of bacteria.

So it takes sunlight, water, polluted air, a relatively small does of electricity, and some human attention. It turns water and pollution into fuel, using sunlight to power the reaction.

They have created a solar panel that stores energy in chemical form rather than in a battery. It is more environmentally friendly than putting solar panels on your roof that charge batteries because battery factories are nasty.



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Uh, how about we just keep moving towards solar energy...
This IS solar energy. In fact, it produces less waste than solar power systems that use batteries.


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Just did the calculations...

7 billion / 800 / 64 = 136,718.75 square miles of needed land to match what we currently use...that is a huge amount of space needed to produce what we currently use.
And that is why we need more nuclear plants to meet the electrical needs of our homes and factories, thus reducing the quantity of hydrocarbons being burned to generate voltage. Automobiles and backup generators still need energy in a condensed liquid form, and this tech allows us to produce energy-dense liquids using a solar energy process that is far more efficient than growing corn and fermenting it.
Edited by willis888 - 1/18/11 at 10:29am
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i like hearing about stuff like this, its good to know taht one day we can finally get away from the middle east and hopefully depend on ourselves for fuel. This hopefully will bring down gas prices, in a failed economy with the price of gas going up its starting to hurt....i hate to admit it lol.

on the up side as well, my 350z is going to love eharing that one day it might cheaper to drive her, currently at 3.50 a gallon average for 93/94 oct i dont drive it as much, but man if this goes full swing, looks like a lot more long winding road trips in the summer

im going to kiss my car on lunch break becuase of this...THANK YOU
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Just did the calculations...
  • 800 barrels of oil per acre per year.
  • US uses 7 billion barrels of oil per year.
  • 64 acres in a square mile.

That gives us 7 billion / 800 / 64 = 136,718.75 square miles of needed land to match what we currently use.....this is slightly larger then the size of New Mexico our 5th biggest state....NOW I see the issue with this.

There may be a way to "stack" the "farms" but that is a huge amount of space needed to produce what we currently use.
OTOH, the US currently pays farmers LOTS to grow crops as there is no money in it for them otherwise...those calculations are for the entire US gas need. And most of the US landmass is unpopulated (desert or farmland).
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Just did the calculations...
  • 800 barrels of oil per acre per year.
  • US uses 7 billion barrels of oil per year.
  • 64 acres in a square mile.

That gives us 7 billion / 800 / 64 = 136,718.75 square miles of needed land to match what we currently use.....this is slightly larger then the size of New Mexico our 5th biggest state....NOW I see the issue with this.

There may be a way to "stack" the "farms" but that is a huge amount of space needed to produce what we currently use.
Actually, there are 640 acres per mile so we're looking at 13,000 square miles or roughly the size of Maryland. In comparison, there are over a million square miles of farmland in the US.
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Dude. Even a high-end expensive solar panel is only about 15-20% efficient...At high-noon on the equator that means a 1 m^2 of solar panels pulls in around 100-200W of energy. To power my computer would take most of the roof of my house....and I don't live on the equator-and high noon only happens once per day. See the problem?
39.2% efficient.

The most exciting part is that it can make water.
And you thought you had google to fear taking over the world.
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I'd guess a decade before this impacts oil prices overall. There are a lot of thigns to consider here. And still you wonder at what cost this stuff will sell for? I mean if the prices of crude are $200 a barrel when this hits the market well we could see them do $175. Huge profits for them but still it'll cost us a LOT all the while being cheaper than an oil company. So we could theoretically never see 3 bucks a gallon or cheaper ever again!
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Actually, there are 640 acres per mile so we're looking at 13,000 square miles or roughly the size of Maryland. In comparison, there are over a million square miles of farmland in the US.
DOH! That is huge...will correct! +rep
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