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Okay a couple of things here to clear up.
* Submission by even the tiniest amount of sarcasm doesn't do anything for anyone.
* No one is calling you a liar except yourself, you're just incredibly misinformed.
* Heat isn't only produced by humans. The entire solar system has shown a raise in temperatures, including Venus and Mars for starters, and that's only in the small amount of time (roughly 60 or less years) that we've had the 'ability' to detect, record, and substantiate these findings. Could it be the sun helping? I'm no scientist but micro and macro scale changes happen in and around us all the time.
* We're promoting progress not fuel itself. You can't deny that fossil fuels have helped the world progress to where it is today.
* You don't know if the planet is broken or not and neither do scientists. We know very little in the large amount of knowledge that we already have.

I understand your point, I'm afraid I cannot express myself the same way I would in my native language but still, I think you can still understand the basic I'm pointing out at least.

We might have evolved from petrolium, but moving to a next energy is the way to go.

Sun might be heating our planet, but we are helping too, and that's not good for anyone.

There was a big convention bragging about what are we suposed to do with the newly found methane deposit in the freezeland. We have no clue what to do with this and yet, it could literally blow a few country within seconds. As I said, do some research on google you will find a lot of articles about this. I didn't invent it. I don't say it's going to blow up tomorrow, I'm just saying methane is a very hazardeous gas, and there is tons and tons of miles square of solid methane in europe. That sir, is a problem.

Fuel is want it or not part of the melting. That's why we need solutions, either filter the emanations from our car better or swap energy but somethign has to be done.
That's my thinking, I might not be right on everything, but we must change our habbit for sure.
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I understand your point, I'm afraid I cannot express myself the same way I would in my native language but still, I think you can still understand the basic I'm pointing out at least.
We might have evolved from petrolium, but moving to a next energy is the way to go.
Sun might be heating our planet, but we are helping too, and that's not good for anyone.
There was a big convention bragging about what are we suposed to do with the newly found methane deposit in the freezeland. We have no clue what to do with this and yet, it could literally blow a few country within seconds. As I said, do some research on google you will find a lot of articles about this. I didn't invent it. I don't say it's going to blow up tomorrow, I'm just saying methane is a very hazardeous gas, and there is tons and tons of miles square of solid methane in europe. That sir, is a problem.
Fuel is want it or not part of the melting. That's why we need solutions, either filter the emanations from our car better or swap energy but somethign has to be done.
That's my thinking, I might not be right on everything, but we must change our habbit for sure.

No one is arguing against new energy solutions. No one. Are you against nuclear solutions? Because nuclear is much safer today than it was when the first plants were built (in terms of producing energy and the plants, not considering and infrastructure or safeguards in place to protect the plants).

All current and recent scientific studies regarding the cycles we know that contribute to the order of the planet be they terrestrial or inter-solar, are showing that the trends we are watching and evaluating now, may in fact lead to another small ice age; in retrospect to a warming path. I suggest you do some reading on that particular as well.
    
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No one is arguing against new energy solutions. No one. Are you against nuclear solutions? Because nuclear is much safer today than it was when the first plants were built (in terms of producing energy and the plants, not considering and infrastructure or safeguards in place to protect the plants).
All current and recent scientific studies regarding the cycles we know that contribute to the order of the planet be they terrestrial or inter-solar, are showing that the trends we are watching and evaluating now, may in fact lead to another small ice age; in retrospect to a warming path. I suggest you do some reading on that particular as well.

I will definitely read on that !
I'm just sad reading that we will probably go for an other century of petrolium cars ...
That won't help our small and as of now unique planet tongue.gif
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Oil-based fuels will be around for a long time simply because most of our power plants are burning oil-based fuels. No matter if you are producing hydrogen, batteries, or pedal cars, pollution will still be generated.

Unless we pick up nuclear power on a large scale, of course...

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WHOA. Lots of posts since I opened this reply...

Dang, I walk away for five minutes and the whole conversation changes, and everyone already said what I wanted to say... redface.gif
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I will definitely read on that !
I'm just sad reading that we will probably go for an other century of petrolium cars ...
That won't help our small and as of now unique planet tongue.gif

See this is my irritation with conventional wisdom in some cases.

This planet is huge. I think the population 'problem' is a false one. The problem is most people are living in close proximity to others in 9/10 places in the world. Outside of short fresh-water supplies and new technologies bracing to easy the process of desalinating salt water (some 95-96% of the world's supply in total), I think this planet has more than enough room to support three or four times as many people as there are now.

Of course, this is contrary to popular belief.
    
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Okay you guys are right, I was wrong.
Let's burn our planet smile.gif
That's a much better idea.
Althought I recommend you to read on methane time bomb. This might enlight you a little.
I find it fun that all I said everone jumped on me saying not true, false. not true. false.
As if I was lying. What would be the point to lose my time here saying nothing.
Freezeland melting is a big problem and I didn't invent it.
What cause the freezeland to melt ?
Heat and heat is produced mainly by us, humans. Those who love money and shinny things.
I'll stop posting seeing how responses are, I'm not trying to fight anyone at all.
It just doesn't make sense to me to promote using fuel.
We should push toward electric cars and hydrolic cars, not about creating fake renewable fossil fuels that will eventually end up killing us all.
I know it won't happen anytime soon, that's what scares me the most. We are about to leave a broken planet to our childrens and we once again, do not care at all.

Wow dude. Did you know that the only thing that the observed increase in global temperatures has ever been causated with is the coincidental increase in solar output from our sun? Lots of other things have been observed to increase as well--like CO2 levels for example (I'll use CO2 as the example and infer it's meant as the "human" heat produced on the planet). But there has yet to be a single CO2 mechanism that results in increased heat retention by the plant that wouldn't require 80% of the overall atmosphere to be composed of CO2.

And what's all this nonsense about breaking thermodynamic laws? Sure, no one can say that our fundamental laws of thermodynamics applies to all situations universally (mainly because we cannot measure all situations), but they have been valid for...well, let's just say hundreds of years, and have never been invalidated--on the contrary, the more advanced scientific research gets, the more they are reinforced.

And hydrogen cars--well, there's a huge amount of work that needs to be done before they become mainstream. If an economical way can't be made to produce hydrogen on the fly (like a simple and cheap way of splitting water, for example), and since storage of hydrogen is a problem (on many levels--not just the issue of explosions, which really isn't a big deal, but because hydrogen makes a lot of the typical metals used in car manufacturing very, very brittle and can close integrity very quickly), hydrogen cars really can't gain much ground.
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See this is my irritation with conventional wisdom in some cases.
This planet is huge. I think the population 'problem' is a false one. The problem is most people are living in close proximity to others in 9/10 places in the world. Outside of short fresh-water supplies and new technologies bracing to easy the process of desalinating salt water (some 95-96% of the world's supply in total), I think this planet has more than enough room to support three or four times as many people as there are now.
Of course, this is contrary to popular belief.

Concidering the fact that there is about 1 000 000 000 000 000 other stars and planets, I concider myself and my planet very little.
We are atoms in a giant puzzle.
I understand we are not causing 100% of total heat, sun is and has always been heating our planet.
The only fact I'm sure of it's that there were many changes over last thousands of years, creating ice ages and such, we are not helping our planet.
May be not causing absurd damage but still we are not doing everything we could to prevent the worse.
As of freezeland, there is enough methane in there to desintegrate our ozone. That's something we have to keep in mind.
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Hydrogen fuel is probabally fifty years away. (Hint: There is not enough platinum in the ground to even begin to make the way the technology exists currently feasible)

If you guys want to learn about energy issues.

http://peakoil.com/

Is a good place to start.

Also people need to realize that fossil fuels are more important to your current way of life then anything else. Your PC, the desk it's on, the cloths your wearing, your toothbrush, your cologne, your shampoo, almost everything use is either a product of fossil fuels (oil mainly in the form of plastic) or uses a tremendous amount of fossil fuels (10 calories of hydrocarbons are burned for every one calorie of food you eat. Every plastic is from oil. It's almost possible to say that everything you use in your daily life is either an oil product or could not be here without oil.

Oil is literally the most important thing to everyone on this forum whether they believe/know it. It's not just changing the engine in your car. Your car takes a huge amount of oil to even be built. There are 7 gallons of oil in every tire.

People saying oh we have this other technology we can just switch are being completely naive.
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Concidering the fact that there is about 1 000 000 000 000 000 other stars and planets, I concider myself and my planet very little.
We are atoms in a giant puzzle.
I understand we are not causing 100% of total heat, sun is and has always been heating our planet.
The only fact I'm sure of it's that there were many changes over last thousands of years, creating ice ages and such, we are not helping our planet.
May be not causing absurd damage but still we are not doing everything we could to prevent the worse.
As of freezeland, there is enough methane in there to desintegrate our ozone. That's something we have to keep in mind.

Again here, oversimplifying things and bringing philosophy into the equation! teaching.gif

When you mention the universe and the possibilities of planets, galaxies, solar systems, stars, and other wise potential for rending our vision of the universe in regards to where we fit in the equation as being but an particle of sand in the beaches of the universe, you're talking about philosophical views on perspective. I was talking about this planet, it's size, form, and ability to entertain the prospect of life. Including life's evolving expansion and growth.

What we are doing to the planet is hard to calculate, measure, and form intrinsic values upon; for various reasons including limited scope of history, limited scope of cause and action, and limited science on the cycles that generate the system as a whole.
    
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Concidering the fact that there is about 1 000 000 000 000 000 other stars and planets, I concider myself and my planet very little.
We are atoms in a giant puzzle.
I understand we are not causing 100% of total heat, sun is and has always been heating our planet.
The only fact I'm sure of it's that there were many changes over last thousands of years, creating ice ages and such, we are not helping our planet.
May be not causing absurd damage but still we are not doing everything we could to prevent the worse.
As of freezeland, there is enough methane in there to desintegrate our ozone. That's something we have to keep in mind.

Again here, oversimplifying things and bringing philosophy into the equation! teaching.gif

When you mention the universe and the possibilities of planets, galaxies, solar systems, stars, and other wise potential for rending our vision of the universe in regards to where we fit in the equation as being but an particle of sand in the beaches of the universe, you're talking about philosophical views on perspective. I was talking about this planet, it's size, form, and ability to entertain the prospect of life. Including life's evolving expansion and growth.

What we are doing to the planet is hard to calculate, measure, and form intrinsic values upon; for various reasons including limited scope of history, limited scope of cause and action, and limited science on the cycles that generate the system as a whole.

Sooooo, basically you mean, they don't know lachen.gifthumb.gif
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