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I see; I expected as much, thank you everyone. I guess I'll go with my 250w 80+ certified (~$60) PSU and the same case ($50).
is it for an HTPC build? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-046-_-Product

I got this one for 55 AR and It's really nice, I kind of trust the PSU more since is antec brand. My HTPC doesnt use 300w at all so I know it can handle my htpc.
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is it for an HTPC build? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-046-_-Product

I got this one for 55 AR and It's really nice, I kind of trust the PSU more since is antec brand. My HTPC doesnt use 300w at all so I know it can handle my htpc.
Oh thanks, but no it isn't for an HTPC. Just a lightweight "my first build" machine.
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Jesus christ, that is a terrible PSU.
I would really consider buying something thats actually worth money.
    
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Oh thanks, but no it isn't for an HTPC. Just a lightweight "my first build" machine.
Get that casing if you want, but I urge you to consider these two PSUs.

Even if its for a basic rig, with like 1 HDD, 1-core CPU, onboard GPU, etc.

Here's are two excellent choices, from Seasonic.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-089-_-Product
This one here has an 80mm horizontally-placed fan.
If your chassis does not allow for weird bulges under the PSU (in this case, said fan), then get the one below.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-063-_-Product
This one here has a rear-exhausting 60mm fan.

Both of these PSUs will fit just fine, and provide quality power.

Also has Active PFC which means you save a little on your power bills, and knowing Seasonic, you don't have to worry about lack of protection or components of questionable quality.
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Whilst it's already been established that the pre-supplied PSU that comes with the case is shoddy and generic, they often don't fail safe. That is, when that day arrives (probably sooner than later) when the generic PSU fails/stops working, it will take out the hardware components with it. So again, this is just another reason to purchase a separate, good-quality PSU
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post #16 of 21
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Get that casing if you want, but I urge you to consider these two PSUs.

Even if its for a basic rig, with like 1 HDD, 1-core CPU, onboard GPU, etc.

Here's are two excellent choices, from Seasonic.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-089-_-Product
This one here has an 80mm horizontally-placed fan.
If your chassis does not allow for weird bulges under the PSU (in this case, said fan), then get the one below.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-063-_-Product
This one here has a rear-exhausting 60mm fan.

Both of these PSUs will fit just fine, and provide quality power.

Also has Active PFC which means you save a little on your power bills, and knowing Seasonic, you don't have to worry about lack of protection or components of questionable quality.
Ah, thank you.

Is a horizontally placed fan better than a vertical one? I guess so, but why?

How would I tell if the chassis allows this or not? I had a look at the images for the case and I couldn't see if that'd be a problem or not -- I don't even know where the PSU goes although I think I've an idea, lol.
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post #17 of 21
In a few rare cases, PSUs included with cases may be good, for example Antec sometimes bundles a Neo Eco or Earthwatts PSU with their cases, and I've seen Cooler Master cases with Silent Pro Gold or Silent Pro M PSUs, so really it depends on the PSU, but yeah, in a majority of cases, they're complete junk

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Ah, thank you.

Is a horizontally placed fan better than a vertical one? I guess so, but why?

How would I tell if the chassis allows this or not? I had a look at the images for the case and I couldn't see if that'd be a problem or not -- I don't even know where the PSU goes although I think I've an idea, lol.
A horizontal fan isn't necessarily better, but smaller fans are typically noisier and don't move as much air as a larger 120 or 140mm fan set on the bottom of the PSU rather than its back.

Basically any chassis should allow for either type of ventilation. In the case you linked to, the PSU goes at the top, you can tell by the large rectangular opening at the top in the back of the case, just above the included case fan. I should accept When the PSU is mounted at the top like that, a fan at the bottom is less than ideal. That fan is always an intake fan, and because heat rises, the heat from your components will be sucked into the PSU, which will possibly decrease its efficiency and overall performance. This may or may not be a huge deal depending on the case, but in this small, cramped case, it really might be an issue.

When the PSU is mounted at the bottom, you have two options: either the case has a vent under the PSU so that you mount the PSU right side up (fan facing down) so that it will suck in cool air from under the case, or if it doesn't have a vent, you have to mount upside down and it will suck in warmer air from inside your case. It's still not as bad as what I was talking about but it's not ideal either.

Regardless, I think there is a big issue with the case you linked to: it doesn't have standard screw holes for the PSU because it requires a Micro ATX PSU. I'm looking at the (short) list of Micro ATX PSUs on Newegg, and guess what, they range from horrible to crap. So... don't get that case.
post #18 of 21
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Let's use this one off NewEgg as an example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811192086
The size used in that case is SFX, not SFF. There is no "SFF" size with PSUs, AFAIK.

Besides the two Seasonics that Volvo listed, there are two other good SFX sized PSUs of 300W or higher that seems to still be in production. One is the Silverstone ST45SF, a monster 450W SFX sized PSU. This is AFAIK the only "good quality" SFX PSU over 350W. The other one is the FSP300-60GHS-R. It is like the first Seasonic that Volvo listed, except it uses a slim 80mm fan that doesn't protrude. I have seen a few cases that could not accept an SFX PSU with a protruding fan (Apex MI-008 and all its clones, Pixxo slim case and clones, to name a few).

Note that the two Seasonic PSUs do not have PCIe power connectors (at least, not the ones I purchased). The FSP and Silverstone (also made by FSP, go figure) both do. All of these PSUs are 80Plus and good for at least 22A of +12v.

FSP had some older models now seemingly discontinued, a 300W without PCIe power connector and not 80Plus, but otherwise identical to current 300W, and a 350W (sometimes sold as a Sparkle) that used dual 60mm fans and was pretty noisy. Enermax used to make some good SFX PSUs too, including a 270W model (with occasional refreshes, sometimes coming with an 80mm and 60mm fans) and a 320W that did 20A continuous and 24A peak +12v.

Yeah, I've owned them all throughout the years. Only good one I've not owned is the Silverstone 450 watter.

Athena Power, SilenX and Ultra also have "higher wattage" SFX PSUs (including some modular ones), but either they have low +12v for their "rated" wattage or they just aren't to be trusted.
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post #19 of 21
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Thank you both for all that info, it's very helpful and I'm doing what I can to take it onboard!

So, finding a new case sounds like a good idea to me -- will a Micro ATX mobo fit in a larger chassis or do I have to find a Micro ATX chassis?
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A Micro ATX motherboard will fit in a larger case, the screw holes are in the same spot.
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