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Not sure if this belongs in the Graphics card area or here, but posting it here for now.
Helping buddy out on a build. He currently has a E8400 on a Asus P5ND mobo. He is looking to buy either a HD 6950 or GTX 570 (leaning more towards 6950). He has NOT overclocked his processor. He games in 1680 X 1050 resolution at this time. His current graphics card is a 9800 GTX +.

Will his current mobo and/or CPU setup bottleneck the graphics card he plans to buy? I would like to know overclock versus not overclock. If not the graphics card, what would you suggest as his first upgrade. He only got close to $300 right now to spend - he maybe able to stretch another $50 - $60 tops.
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post #2 of 7
E8400 at stock... he'll be bottlenecking those cards pretty hard. He'd be better off spending that $300 on an i3 or i5 (or PhenomII) board and chip.
Edit: Or he could go for something like the GTX460 and a C2Q to limit the bottleneck.
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post #3 of 7
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what if the E8400 is overclocked to about 3.6 - 3.8? Will it still bottleneck it hard? Especially at those resolutions (card will not be pushed anyways)?
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Any thoughts?
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post #5 of 7
3.8 should be your goal, and should be cake for an E0 E8400.

Those GPUs are both overkill for 1680x1050, and will be a waste of watts. They won't be bottlenecked, they'll be bored. 3.8 on that E8400 will be good to feed 1680x1050 gaming.

An ATi 6850 (or 6870 for a little more) or GTX460 (1GB models) will be plenty for any game at that res with settings on high. Spend the extra $$ to get 4GB RAM if he doesn't have it, and go with Win 7 x64. The extra RAM will be much more useful than wasting $100 extra on vid cards that won't be used to their potential. Trust me.
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I agree with 2thAche, a 6850 or 6870 would be pretty enough if not more!
    
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Thanks everyone. Rep to all.
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CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
GPU cooling - XSPC Razer full GPU blocks Win 7 Home Premium Asus PB278Q 2560 X 1440p ISP Logitech G15 
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