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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
My setup says otherwise .

I will never pay premium prices on a machine. Never have, never will. I always buy the best budget chip I can afford, and just overclock the piss out of it. I did this with my last build (Opteron 165 clocked to 3.1GHz), and I did it with this one. If I'm stuck to multiplier only...then I'll wait until the next lineup, or buy one that isn't multi only (AMD instead of Intel as an example).
your setup is fine... it but it isnt what i meant. Yes, you OCed a budget computer, but on the intel side, if you want to get high clocks , with this new generation, u have to buy a K cpu, or u will be limited to a definite maximum clock speed. (idk what the max multi is on a non-K cpu)

EDIT: also, you rig is the reason i made this thread, you have a locked multi, BUT u can still OC the heck out of it.


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Originally Posted by Kryton View Post
You can still tune your system as long as the ability to adjust the FSB, RAM dividers, ect are still options in the BIOS.

I also still use what I learned with Socket A for most of my tuning and even with my AM3, I've found ways to tune the system to reach a higher clock than by multi alone.
True, the way it's being done now is becoming more multi oriented but the basics still apply - It's knowing what to do with your options that makes the difference as you guys should know. Honestly, picking up an older system to learn how it all works is one way to do it and that's how I started and went from there.

Getting the basics down then moving on to the more involved ways to tune is really the only true way to pick up on OC'ing and improve one's skills at tweaking. It can be said older systems still have their uses - I still OC the older stuff sometimes just for fun and even find myself relearning a thing or two on occasion.
yes the option is there, on p67 mobos, but, IIRC, u waver ~6mhz away from 100mhz and the system is not stable what so ever.
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Like a previous post, Intel see SB as the poster boy. Being able to run 5ghz 24/7 = OMGZ = $$$$

Real enthusiasts will stick with 1366 due to the fact that its not as mainstream but mainly because it's better in the applications we most use....folding, benching and video encoding.
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post #23 of 41
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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud View Post
My setup says otherwise .

I will never pay premium prices on a machine. Never have, never will. I always buy the best budget chip I can afford, and just overclock the piss out of it. I did this with my last build (Opteron 165 clocked to 3.1GHz), and I did it with this one. If I'm stuck to multiplier only...then I'll wait until the next lineup, or buy one that isn't multi only (AMD instead of Intel as an example).
The original post did refer to Sandy Bridge and unlocked multiplier based CPUs, all of which now carry a price premium. You really never know if this is just the start of locking down budget chips or not- or if AMD will follow suit. What does look certain is that we will never see something like a Celeron 300A or Pentium D 805 out of Intel in the foreseeable future.
 
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post #24 of 41
I miss the FSB days

it was "fun" to oc more than the DMI/QPI age we are in imo.
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It's being redefined for sure. You can't get a free lunch forever, now they are just factoring in overclocking into the profit margin. I personally would overclock purely for performance, not for the enjoyment of tinkering. If thats your game then yeah it is dying.
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My first overclock was easier. On a Compaq Presario 150MHz Pentium, all you had to do was move a jumper on the mobo and you got an easy 16MHz overclock!
    
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With the new sandy bridge out, and the relatively locked bus speed, there is only one way to overclock a chip, by the multi. Yes this has been the "easy" way to OC a chip, but the great knowledge of getting a great OC is the balance between the FSB and Multi. With SB, i see a lot of the same clocks out there. Always going 50x100, but now that the FSB cannot be "really" changed, there is no "skill" (by skill I mean, finding that sweet spot between FSB and Multi), to OC.

I just think that overclocking used to be something quite personal, but having the OC be limited to only Multi, everyones clock speeds will have the same integral.

But hey... it's just my 2cents
I'd say that since moving the memory controller onto the CPU, the "board-wide" method of overclocking became fairly obsolete, and the CPU speed really dictated overall overclock performance. There's HUGE memory bandwidth overhead with current DDR3 memory interfaces, so overclocking that doesn't yield a whole lot. Tightening timings is nice--and IIRC, you can still do that. But there's no general point in OC'ing the PCI-e interface, and since nearly everything that requires a lot of bandwidth is done on-die, there's not much of a point in overclocking other aspects anymore.

Do I think the concept of overclocking is dying? No--not just because this incarnation of CPU's from Intel doesn't permit the user from tweaking all the things we're used to. But I do think that the sheer capabilities of speed that CPU's are being released at makes the idea of "buying cheap and overclocking" obsolete--only because SB CPU's aren't ALL that cheap. Nothing like buying my E2180 for significantly less than $100, and still ending up with a 3GHz chip in the end.

We'll have to see--there's no reason to think that Intel would remain with the "locked" idea, but it sure makes sense from their point of view, you now need to buy their unlocked CPU's if you wish to manually overclock (again, not that I think you'd NEED to, since the chips are already fast, and turbo to even faster).

Personally, I don't like the direction that Intel chose to go with for SB. But I still think they'll be very good performers.
    
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Your sig says otherwise.....
i turned it down...
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In a word, no.
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The concept is changing and that is due to money.

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Real enthusiasts will stick with 1366 due to the fact that its not as mainstream but mainly because it's better in the applications we most use....folding, benching and video encoding.
Hmm have you seen the PPD on SB?

An i5 2500k is able to do bigadvs with only 4 cores, I think you are mistaken saying 1366 is better, maybe for other things.
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