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The original post did refer to Sandy Bridge and unlocked multiplier based CPUs, all of which now carry a price premium. You really never know if this is just the start of locking down budget chips or not- or if AMD will follow suit. What does look certain is that we will never see something like a Celeron 300A or Pentium D 805 out of Intel in the foreseeable future.
I can't see in the near future AMD locking things down as Intel seems to be trying to do but it is still a possibility.

Intel chips as expensive as they are now and then wanting to charge extra for you to have the ability to really tweak it I believe is going to bite them in the OC'ing market sooner or later.
AMD being more friendly towards this end with the BE chips and not appearing to worry so much about unlocking cores has helped them to reclaim a great deal of this market share. For now AMD is riding the wave and reaping the benefits - I know they could suddenly bring this to a halt but I just can't see them doing that right away or even in the near future since the way their chips are being made and selling is a benefit for them.

Yes, taking a budget chip and making it go faster/unlocking cores means they won't make as much but AMD's efforts with the Phenom II chips are paying off and they know it. The more of the market share they do get, the better they'll do since you'd need an AMD based board to go with it and CPU upgrades to it will also be AMD based = More $$.
Many of us are asking if Bulldozer will be based on the current AM3 socket and so far, the answer many are giving is "No" but even with that going on, the current socket will continue to sell chips for them with each new offering based on it and will do so for at least sometime to come.

It amounts to getting their "Foot in the door" with their chips with new customers = A larger market share and also providing a good value to keep those of us running AMD now from jumping over to Intel.

Right or wrong, that's how I see it for now.
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Heh, I remember when overclocking required physically replacing the quartz crystal of the clock generator circuit. Then you'd create your own turbo button that allowed you to switch between two different crystals, the default one and a faster one, so that you could still play games without them running at super fast speed. It didn't matter what a motherboard 'supported', because you made it support whatever you wanted it to.

Overclocking died a long time ago. Switching away from FSB was more like digging up it's grave, opening the coffin, and pissing on it's face.
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I don't care. As long as my system does what I want it to do, I could care less how I get there.
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Heh, I remember when overclocking required physically replacing the quartz crystal of the clock generator circuit. Then you'd create your own turbo button that allowed you to switch between two different crystals, the default one and a faster one, so that you could still play games without them running at super fast speed. It didn't matter what a motherboard 'supported', because you made it support whatever you wanted it to.
In a way that's similar to the older CB radios with their crystals to receive and transmit on a certain channel. Switching crystals with the selector knob or simply swapping them out was how you changed channels with those setups.

Moving jumpers around for different MHz speeds isn't the same thing but the concept is similar to that in you have to move things around to change things.
I Have a board or two here that you have to do that with and although it's different, doesn't mean it's bad.
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Intel saw you guys when you overclocked the i7 920 to 4GHz and they said no more, they buying a lower priced i7 and pushing it this high. Next time we will get them. Haha and now they charging more for the k series chips. You want to overclock pay extra
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People need to stop being OC snobs. Things becoming easier for everyone is a good thing. I do think it is a shame that they locked all the clocks together on SB but they did it for good reasons. I think it sucks that intel charge a premium for the unlocked chips but thats their right.

If your that annoyed that everyone is reaching the same clocks as you because it isn't hard then maybe you should look at yourself.

As long as there are people that want to increase the performance of their computer equipment that have a healthy disregard for the rated specifications then overclocking will never die.
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In a way that's similar to the older CB radios with their crystals to receive and transmit on a certain channel. Switching crystals with the selector knob or simply swapping them out was how you changed channels with those setups.

Moving jumpers around for different MHz speeds isn't the same thing but the concept is similar to that in you have to move things around to change things.
I Have a board or two here that you have to do that with and although it's different, doesn't mean it's bad.
Well what I mean is like, back in the day it actually required some knowledge of how computers worked. Both the hardware and the software. Now it's like...overclocking for dummies. Sure there are some rules that you have to follow (Shader Clock >= 2x Core Clock, for example), but there's not much thinking involved - it's just trying a bunch of settings until you find the combo that works best. More knowledge just means that you get there faster.

Is it necessarily bad? No. But it's certainly not the same. But if overclocking is what you did on an 8086/88, then it certainly isn't fair to still call it the same thing with Sandy Bridge.
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You could always buy an AMD chip...
why would anyone in their right mind wana do that?
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Well what I mean is like, back in the day it actually required some knowledge of how computers worked. Both the hardware and the software. Now it's like...overclocking for dummies. Sure there are some rules that you have to follow (Shader Clock >= 2x Core Clock, for example), but there's not much thinking involved - it's just trying a bunch of settings until you find the combo that works best. More knowledge just means that you get there faster.

Is it necessarily bad? No. But it's certainly not the same. But if overclocking is what you did on an 8086/88, then it certainly isn't fair to still call it the same thing with Sandy Bridge.
and how do you think people get this knowledge by trying different things and testing and getting lucky, than they past down what they new to the next person. im sure that the SB 4.5 is just base of OC in the near future u will see people pass the 4.5 the 5.0 ETC.

In the long run you will see super clocked SB and how will they find the ways to do it you may ask? by trying random things till they get it to work.!

True Knowledge if gained by trial and error !
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