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Hello,

I just want to give you guys a little background on me so there may be someone a little more inclined to help me out.

I'm a full time computer Technician/Administrator at a local school district, I do consulting work for a number of businesses, state municipalities, and the private sector as a side job. I clean malware, spyware, adware, and scareware from computer on nearly a daily basis. What i'm hoping to get from someone here is some help with actually finding this stuff. I clean it all the time. Ive set up VM's and rummaged through the darkest parts of the internet with a Windows XP SP0 install with no AV, and yet i can't find anything.

I'm hoping to be able to see what this stuff does when it infects a computer, if there is any dialog b4 the infection takes place, i want to experience those moments just as the infection is entering the system and phoning home to download all it's buddies. So that i may better understand exactly what i should be telling my customers NOT to do, or what some of the early indicators may be. Also this would give me test beds to test my tools and software to better understand what works in what application and what is heading to the Recycle Bin.

And i would like to end with this:
I, OCN, or any other member(s)/person(s) is not responsible for what you do with the content of this thread. any infections you may or may not experience due to following directions in this thread, and or trying to reproduce/duplicate what may or may not be mentions in this thread. All responsibility begins and ends with YOU.

AND


I would like to add, that i am fully responsible for anything that may or may not happen to my computer due to following the content of this thread. And Neither OCN or any other USER(s)/member(s)/persons(s)

Hopefully that covers everything
 
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I'm hoping to be able to see what this stuff does when it infects a computer, if there is any dialog b4 the infection takes place, i want to experience those moments just as the infection is entering the system and phoning home to download all it's buddies. So that i may better understand exactly what i should be telling my customers NOT to do, or what some of the early indicators may be. Also this would give me test beds to test my tools and software to better understand what works in what application and what is heading to the Recycle Bin.
There is usually never any notification of you receiving anything. Why? Because that was the creator of such programs intentions. They are trying to be as hidden as possible. You asked what you should tell your customers, well tell them not to visit sites that would lead them into malware. Such as if not limited to, p0rn, torrenting, crack, hacking etc sites.

Your customers should learn how to browse the web safely and their chances of getting things would be slim. Spyware/Malware just don't pop their way onto their computers. They have to be doing something to end up getting it.
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Most of them don't seem to visiting any of those items you list. At the school its easy to tell as we have web tracking software and I am notified immediately if anythings if that nature takes place. And I have done some digging through my consultation customers and based on browsing history and cookies most don't fall into that category. I 'm aware what ones are actually are wandering toward those ... ummm. ....questionable sites. So this is why im interested in finding some sort of archive containing these infections and a way of finding them intentionally on the internet.

Although I have noticed a pattern of my customers reporting it seems to happen after time spent on Facebook.com. not sure if its messaging. Or what but facebook seems to be a fairly common them in what I would guess to be 50% - 60% of my customers. Even some who don't have accounts themselves. But may have a friends or family member borrow the computer.

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Sounds to me like they might have bad choices of opening emails or links on FB that are fishy. These types of things as I stated just don't pop up on the computers. It has to be their browsing habits. It's not common to see someone clicking a link from a hacked family members Facebook etc, leading them to a site that looks legit and them prodding around.

If their website habits don't look too fishy. Then that makes me wonder how else they are attracting these things. Compromised USB keys? Downloaded files possibly?
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Sounds to me like they might have bad choices of opening emails or links on FB that are fishy. These types of things as I stated just don't pop up on the computers. It has to be their browsing habits. It's not common to see someone clicking a link from a hacked family members Facebook etc, leading them to a site that looks legit and them prodding around.

If their website habits don't look too fishy. Then that makes me wonder how else they are attracting these things. Compromised USB keys? Downloaded files possibly?
But im still left with the issue of not being able to test my tools in a safe environment with out the risk of actually killing a windows install.Or the ability to test what antiviruses / tools seem to be the most effective.
 
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I grab the files all the time..... Get on a mac, and go to an infected website.... find one someone just infected themselves with. It will download on your mac and you can save it to a flash drive or whatever.

Get on a pc and download sandboxie. http://www.sandboxie.com/ Run the exe you got from your mac within sandboxie and see what it does.
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I'd recommend you look into Virtual Honeypots. But you'll need to be running it from a Unix/Linux environment

http://www.honeyd.org/
    
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I grab the files all the time..... Get on a mac, and go to an infected website.... find one someone just infected themselves with. It will download on your mac and you can save it to a flash drive or whatever.

Get on a pc and download sandboxie. http://www.sandboxie.com/ Run the exe you got from your mac within sandboxie and see what it does.
But where do it find out what / where the infected sites are. Iver tried to locate them b4 with out any luck.

I'm not sure if there is a site that may list recently infected sites and/or the files that i could just extract out of a RAR or some other archive once i set up my VM.
 
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Ive looked for that myself and never had any luck. I have had pretty good luck at my schools though.... I do the same thing as you btw.

Usually a student will come to me and say the computer is messed up and I can look in the history and find the url and go to it on my mac. Im sure what your looking for exists but I have no idea where to find it like your saying.
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Look for haxxxxxzz for computer software. Like key's, keygen's, patches etc. Start downloading things. You will find them, trust me on that. Not sure if Google started filtering those out...
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