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1) The Biostar is the best board in the price range
2) It uses UEFI, but still looks kinda old school, which you can look at as a pro or con either way.
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Do you absolutely need the 8G of ram ? 4G is enough IMO, and that 40$ save could go either in your pocket or upgrading other parts.
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Do you absolutely need the 8G of ram ? 4G is enough IMO, and that 40$ save could go either in your pocket or upgrading other parts.
Probably not, really. That was something I was debating. I could always throw two more sticks in there to double it anyway, right? But yeah, I mean 8GB wouldn't really have much of any improvement in gaming performance over 4GB, would it?


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1) The Biostar is the best board in the price range
2) It uses UEFI, but still looks kinda old school, which you can look at as a pro or con either way.
Hmmm, I might go with it. I also heard the Asus Pro has also been having some strange issues with RAM causing problems booting.

Question though: Would the PCI-E slots being x8/x8 cause any sort of performance drop over having x16/x8 like in the Asus Pro? Since a big reason for this rig is gaming, I don't want to sacrifice "bottlenecking" the card(s) at the PCI-E slots.
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Probably not, really. That was something I was debating. I could always throw two more sticks in there to double it anyway, right? But yeah, I mean 8GB wouldn't really have much of any improvement in gaming performance over 4GB, would it?
I find that my actual 2GB is enough as long as I dont do my usual multi task and open many games at a time + spyke to show my screen to my friends. ( playing civilisation 5). 4GB will be enough, you can always add later if you wish too. Sure more is better, It depends on what you do on it.
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I find that my actual 2GB is enough as long as I dont do my usual multi task and open many games at a time + spyke to show my screen to my friends. ( playing civilisation 5). 4GB will be enough, you can always add later if you wish too. Sure more is better, It depends on what you do on it.
Yeah, I usually close everything when I'm gaming anyway, just out of habit. Plus, for not much more I can go ahead and get DDR3 1600 instead of 1333.



I also edited an earlier post, in response to the comment about the Biostar board, and asked this about it. Not sure if anyone saw it, so I'll just say it again:

Would the PCI-E slots being x8/x8 cause any sort of performance drop over having x16/x8 like in the Asus Pro? Since a big reason for this rig is gaming, I don't want to sacrifice "bottlenecking" the card(s) at the PCI-E slots.
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Would the PCI-E slots being x8/x8 cause any sort of performance drop over having x16/x8 like in the Asus Pro? Since a big reason for this rig is gaming, I don't want to sacrifice "bottlenecking" the card(s) at the PCI-E slots.
It's like a 2-4% bottleneck when using really highend cards. Not noticeable to the human eye.

Here's an article: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...8-x4,2696.html
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It's like a 2-4% bottleneck when using really highend cards. Not noticeable to the human eye.

Here's an article: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...8-x4,2696.html
Ok, cool. Thanks for the link. I won't worry about that then. 6850 may not be affected quite as much as in their test either, as they used a GTX 480 which I believe is a decent step up over the 6850.
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Question though: Would the PCI-E slots being x8/x8 cause any sort of performance drop over having x16/x8 like in the Asus Pro? Since a big reason for this rig is gaming, I don't want to sacrifice "bottlenecking" the card(s) at the PCI-E slots.
You are misinformed. The only way a p67 board can go faster than x8/x8 when using two cards is if it uses an addon chip, like the NF200 from Nvidia.

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2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (single at x16 or dual at x8/x8 mode)
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The Biostar board is fine, there is nothing wrong with it and it's great for the price. If I was building 1155, I would get it...

edit: I would also like to add, get a 8GB kit of RAM from the start. You can get 2 x 4gb kit for so cheap now... If you only buy a 2 x2gb kit and add another later, you won't be able to OC as much. With 4 sticks, you're going to be stressing the memory controller a lot more (which is integrated onto the CPU). You will either need to add a lot more memory controller voltage (on X58 this is called CPU VTT or QPI/DRAM voltage, not sure P67 terminology) or you will have to lower the frequency and loosen the timings. So, with RAM being as cheap as it is now, just get an 8gb kit to begin with and be happy.
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You are misinformed. The only way a p67 board can go faster than x8/x8 when using two cards is if it uses an addon chip, like the NF200 from Nvidia.

source
Whoops, must have misread somehow. Thanks.



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The Biostar board is fine, there is nothing wrong with it and it's great for the price. If I was building 1155, I would get it...

edit: I would also like to add, get a 8GB kit of RAM from the start. You can get 2 x 4gb kit for so cheap now... If you only buy a 2 x2gb kit and add another later, you won't be able to OC as much. With 4 sticks, you're going to be stressing the memory controller a lot more (which is integrated onto the CPU). You will either need to add a lot more memory controller voltage (on X58 this is called CPU VTT or QPI/DRAM voltage, not sure P67 terminology) or you will have to lower the frequency and loosen the timings. So, with RAM being as cheap as it is now, just get an 8gb kit to begin with and be happy.
Will 8GB give me any noticeable performance increase in games over having 4GB? If not, I might rather just get 2x2GB now and get a 2x4GB kit later if I get to a point where 8GB would help me. Yeah, it's a bit of a waste of money in the long run, but I would rather do that if I wouldn't notice a difference right now.
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Will 8GB give me any noticeable performance increase in games over having 4GB? If not, I might rather just get 2x2GB now and get a 2x4GB kit later if I get to a point where 8GB would help me. Yeah, it's a bit of a waste of money in the long run, but I would rather do that if I wouldn't notice a difference right now.
Nope. For games 4GB is plenty. Overkill is always fun though, isn't it?
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