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Originally Posted by Mygaffer View Post
A Segway should NOT be used on sidewalks with walking pedestrians.


Explain what kind of disabled person is using a Segway?

Remember when they unveiled these things to the public? They said they were going to unveil a revolutionary device that would change the way the world traveled. The Segway has always been full of fail.
The Segway had a really nice gyro system which is about the only important part of the device. The actual use of the machine is stupid though.

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Ban Bicycles off the road. They are a menace on the road.
Bikes are fine on the road when people use them the way they are supposed to. Idiots riding them against traffic or on the center line of two lanes when there are cars in both lanes need to be beaten though.

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why would you want one in the first place?

When you can have THIS BAD BOY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2D2fP6yBzU
Did that guy really push start that thing with his feet or am I seeing things?

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Ok I didn't read the article, I'm at work, but couldn't someone say the same thing about motorized wheelchairs? If a 2 wheeled electric mode of transportation is called a motor vehicle, shouldn't a 4 wheeled electric mode of transportation? They fall in the same category as far as I'm concerned. Yes, one is for disabled people and one isn't, but I don't think they're making that distinction here.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't see the problem. They're quiet, fast, efficient, and so long as people use them and follow laws while riding them, I don't see the issue. Yes they CAN be used inappropriately, or cause danger to pedestrians, but so can someone on a bike, skateboard, or whatever if they wanted to. Id say keeping them off roadways is a good idea, but on sidewalks etc, I say go for it. Or, post speed limits on walkways. If they go over 10mph for example, they could be fined. Do something else if its a problem, but they shouldn't be banned outright.
The distinction is that the vehicles for disabled people are necessary for them to get from place to place while everybody else has the choice of walking. Its no different from the places that don't allow dogs unless they are seeing eye dogs.
Edited by Kirmie - 1/21/11 at 10:49am
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Ok I didn't read the article, I'm at work, but couldn't someone say the same thing about motorized wheelchairs? If a 2 wheeled electric mode of transportation is called a motor vehicle, shouldn't a 4 wheeled electric mode of transportation? They fall in the same category as far as I'm concerned. Yes, one is for disabled people and one isn't, but I don't think they're making that distinction here.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't see the problem. They're quiet, fast, efficient, and so long as people use them and follow laws while riding them, I don't see the issue. Yes they CAN be used inappropriately, or cause danger to pedestrians, but so can someone on a bike, skateboard, or whatever if they wanted to. Id say keeping them off roadways is a good idea, but on sidewalks etc, I say go for it. Or, post speed limits on walkways. If they go over 10mph for example, they could be fined. Do something else if its a problem, but they shouldn't be banned outright.
Difference being that while there are Segway users, there probably aren't nearly enough for the local governments to put time, money, and resources into creating laws based around the use of a Segway--I completely understand that.

You could say the same thing about ATV's, dirt-bikes, dune buggies, etc. that also aren't street legal.

Anyhoo, I think the opposite--keep them the hell off of sidewalks. A 10mph vehicle on a sidewalk where people are walking MAYBE 3.5mph is a hazard. They're just not any more practical than walking. And I can't speak for the rest of the world, but as far as the US goes, I don't think people need another excuse to get even less physical exercise...
    
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WOW.

Well, maybe if they were going like 30mph, but most of the Segs only go around 15-20. I think that the guy charge was probably doing something else to get some a charge like this one.
    
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I don't understand this:


But then it says:


No Segways at all, outside of private land? Well, to be honest, I think Segways are pretty ridiculous inventions. Interesting technology, but stupid to see on streets and sidewalks, and I'm not opposed to them not being allowed on sidewalks. But I don't see why they aren't treated the same as bicycles or motor operated cycles, and have them on roads--and cite people not obeying the traffic laws.


People riding Segways on sidewalks with pedestrians are too dangerous (IMHO) because most people on Segways ride much faster than the average pedestrian speeds. They ought to be viewed the same as bicycles (which, as it appears, they were
Segways can't be ridden on the pavement under the Highway Act 1835. They can't be ridden on the road because in order to ride a powered vehicle on the road it must be registered as a vehicle - and Segways do not meet the stringent requirements for this. It could theoretically be possible for a Segway to be registered as a motorbike of some kind, but based on inspections of the current rules, it would still be almost impossible.

Electric bicycles are the exception. The rules regarding electric bikes basically say that the bike must not weigh more than 40kg, must have pedals, must not go faster than 15mph and the output must not exceed 200w. Otherwise the bike would have to be registered as a motorbike. You can see how Segways would not meet these regulations.

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Ok I didn't read the article, I'm at work, but couldn't someone say the same thing about motorized wheelchairs? If a 2 wheeled electric mode of transportation is called a motor vehicle, shouldn't a 4 wheeled electric mode of transportation? They fall in the same category as far as I'm concerned. Yes, one is for disabled people and one isn't, but I don't think they're making that distinction here.
Wheelchairs have an exemption, because they are critical in order to allow the users to enjoy a quality of life. You need to be able to demonstrate that you physically require a wheelchair of some kind in order to be able to use one, legally.

They're limited to 4mph on pavements, and those that go faster are registered as vehicles (legally), with a tax disk and a license.

There are severe restrictions on such scooters - the 4mph on pavements rule is one, and they can't go faster than 8mph on actual roads.

Segways obviously go faster than 12.1mph, and are obviously not exempted by specific legislation (such as electric bikes). Thus, they are banned.
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Segways can't be ridden on the pavement under the Highway Act 1835. They can't be ridden on the road because in order to ride a powered vehicle on the road it must be registered as a vehicle - and Segways do not meet the stringent requirements for this. It could theoretically be possible for a Segway to be registered as a motorbike of some kind, but based on inspections of the current rules, it would still be almost impossible.

Electric bicycles are the exception. The rules regarding electric bikes basically say that the bike must not weigh more than 40kg, must have pedals, must not go faster than 15mph and the output must not exceed 200w. Otherwise the bike would have to be registered as a motorbike. You can see how Segways would not meet these regulations.



Wheelchairs have an exemption, because they are critical in order to allow the users to enjoy a quality of life. You need to be able to demonstrate that you physically require a wheelchair of some kind in order to be able to use one, legally.

They're limited to 4mph on pavements, and those that go faster are registered as vehicles (legally), with a tax disk and a license.

There are severe restrictions on such scooters - the 4mph on pavements rule is one, and they can't go faster than 8mph on actual roads.

Segways obviously go faster than 12.1mph, and are obviously not exempted by specific legislation (such as electric bikes). Thus, they are banned.
I see. So in the US, they're also not legal to ride on either the streets or the sidewalks? I mean, since they cannot be classified as a motor vehicle (as they do not meet regulations), nor are they a pedal-powered bike/scooter either?
    
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Are people that lazy to walk...?
     
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OK so they're illegal on the pavement and on the road.

Bet segway aren't impressed by this at all.
tbh... who gives a flying crap about what "segway" think? Their segway-look-like-a-lazy-arse products are NOT exactly for the disabled, are they? hmm?

More like their products are for (WALL-E springs to mind) fat, lazy, overeating, couch-potato, inner-thigh-piss-rash, overpaid, inconsiderate americans people.
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Originally Posted by Cepheus View Post
Segways can't be ridden on the pavement under the Highway Act 1835.
Highways act 1980 (reformed), actually

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WOW.

Well, maybe if they were going like 30mph, but most of the Segs only go around 15-20. I think that the guy charge was probably doing something else to get some a charge like this one.
Nope - just our pavements (sidewalks) are not "generally" wide enough to get a fat-momma down... let alone a segway + prams + scooters + pedestrians.
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Anyhoo, I think the opposite--keep them the hell off of sidewalks. A 10mph vehicle on a sidewalk where people are walking MAYBE 3.5mph is a hazard. They're just not any more practical than walking. And I can't speak for the rest of the world, but as far as the US goes, I don't think people need another excuse to get even less physical exercise...
You Sir, are a reasonable chap! I agree heartily!

As an aside...
Any able-bodied Person who uses one of these monstrosities should HAVE THEIR LEGS AMPUTATED! PAINFULLY!

Edited by newphase - 1/21/11 at 3:17pm
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I've still never seen someone ride a Segway in person. Maybe it's just a big city thing.

As for the article, I get annoyed seeing bikers and skateboarders on sidewalks. Segways should be on street too.

Oh great, more things for us real vehicle drivers to watch out for and be responsible for.

Segway lanes?! cmon, keep them on the sidewalk. If your going to ban segways from the sidwalk why not ban motorcycles from the roadways? Theyre too small, dangerous, are being driven between cars, and put cops at a disadvantage for catching them....
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Oh great, more things for us real vehicle drivers to watch out for and be responsible for.

Segway lanes?! cmon, keep them on the sidewalk. If your going to ban segways from the sidwalk why not ban motorcycles from the roadways? Theyre too small, dangerous, are being driven between cars, and put cops at a disadvantage for catching them....
What's wrong with bike lanes? Most countries have them...
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