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However, my surge protector is pretty damn old, I got it with my Alienware from like 2003. Just dugout my old specs, it's a Powerware 3110 700 VA-400 Watt. (wow time flies, invoice date is 4/22/03) (It was a glorious rig, I spent nearly 3 grand on it, had the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra 128MB)

Could this be the problem? I know the PC PSU for a graphics card is key. But assumed the surge protector doesn't matter in this regard.

This problem should go away if you plug the computer directly into the wall.

Hope you get it all worked out!
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Ok reinstalling the drivers had no impact on performance. But in the uninstall process i had a shut down problem again. I made it to the part where I needed to delete any nv_disp.inf folders in c:/Windows/System32/DriverStore/FileRepository. But it shutdown everything connected to the surge protector. So then rebooted into safe mode and used driver sweeper, rebooted, installed driver, rebooted, and back to normal.

But, just now ran the Mafia 2 benchmark twice and on the second time it shut down my system again, but just the system this time and not surge protector.

So fixing the power connectors has certainly improved things, but not completely.

I'm running all my games at desktop setting of 1360x768. I prefer low resolutions for ease of vision and to help performance.

However, my surge protector is pretty damn old, I got it with my Alienware from like 2003. Just dugout my old specs, it's a Powerware 3110 700 VA-400 Watt. (wow time flies, invoice date is 4/22/03) (It was a glorious rig, I spent nearly 3 grand on it, had the GeForce FX 5800 Ultra 128MB)

Could this be the problem? I know the PC PSU for a graphics card is key. But assumed the surge protector doesn't matter in this regard.
That's a UPS, not a surge protector. If everything connected to the UPS shut off, the fault is obviously the UPS and not your system. It's old, it's 420W so if you have more than just your computer connected to it, it is probably being overloaded. Your computer alone probably draws atleast ~340W under full load so if you have your monitor and other things plugged in that would explain it. From what I've read, most of the time you don't want to exceed 90% of the output of the UPS to avoid overloading.
Your power supply is not at fault unless it's failing, which I highly doubt at this point.

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Surely the 570 should be getting much better results than this? Even with my Quad Q9950 2.83GHz CPU being a bottleneck. Also want to note, no in-game graphics settings have been changed from switching my old card for new card.
You do understand why it's called bottleneck, right?

For Mafia II make sure physx is disabled. ARMA II is very CPU dependent so it doesn't surprise me that your seeing some bottleneck with your CPU at stock. At your resolution your not going to see the same improvement that you would at a higher resolution. That coupled with the fact that your CPU is at stock and you have the answer to your question.
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Ok, plugging my PC into the wall outlet has gotten rid of the shutdown problems. At least appears to be, played games and benchmarks for hours now with no shutdowns. So I'm fairly confident this problem is solved.

However performance has not changed at all.

Could I possibly have damaged the card by not plugging it in right? (using Y adapter and not directly to PS) Or from the power drain on the UPS with the shutdowns?

Jackson, yeah I understand what a bottleneck is. It's basically hitting a limit on possible performance due to a single piece of hardware. But man, when I bought this rig just 2 yrs ago my CPU was above average, not high end but still up the ladder a good ways. Has CPU tech really taken off since then or something?

The recommended CPU specs: Mafia 2 is 2.4 GHz Quad Core processor
Arma 2: Quad Core CPU or fast Dual Core CPU (Intel Core 2.8 GHz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ or faster)

Would I be better off sending the card back and instead hunt for a CPU upgrade? Then eventually down the road shop for a new card? I'm feeling like I bought the wrong upgrade for my system.

Or I could try OCing my CPU and see what kind of results I get to see if it is worth keeping the card or not. On that note, is there any CPU OCing guides for a complete noob?

Also here is my 3DMARK11 benchmark.

Btw, with so much GPU memory now, only 3GB is seen of my 4GB installed memory. It use to be 3.3GB with my old card. So that certainly doesn't help performance either.

Once again, thanks for all the feedback, it's much appreciated.
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Try the overclock, I wish I could help you with it but im not an intel guy :/ Im sure many here can help you though with it and it is a lot cheaper than replaces most of your rig so def worth a try Gl

Also if your seeing less memory you could grab a 64 bit os which will address all your memory
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I actually had a similar problem about a year ago. I moved my computer into another room which had a whole bunch of things plugged into the wall. It drew so much power from the wall on startup, it would trip the breaker and kill everything on that half of the house, including lights and tv. I had to unplug everything connected except for the computer to start it up.

Eventually I had to put the computer back where it was originally.
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Could I possibly have damaged the card by not plugging it in right? (using Y adapter and not directly to PS) Or from the power drain on the UPS with the shutdowns?
I don't see how it could have damaged the card. The UPS would just shutdown when it was overloaded. No harm, no foul; it would just turn the system off.

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Jackson, yeah I understand what a bottleneck is. It's basically hitting a limit on possible performance due to a single piece of hardware. But man, when I bought this rig just 2 yrs ago my CPU was above average, not high end but still up the ladder a good ways. Has CPU tech really taken off since then or something?
CPU tech did hit a pretty big incline with Core i7 and sandybridge but for gaming any quad core will do. The problem is your using a fairly recent, higher end video card in a computer with a lower clocked quad core from a couple of years ago. To see the full ability of your card, especially in games that are more CPU-bound than GPU, you need to overclock your CPU.

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The recommended CPU specs: Mafia 2 is 2.4 GHz Quad Core processor
Arma 2: Quad Core CPU or fast Dual Core CPU (Intel Core 2.8 GHz or AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ or faster)
Do you have physx enabled in Mafia II? What settings are you running? ARMA 2 is just very CPU intensive, I don't know what to tell you there. Check out your CPU usage while gaming if you want to see a bottleneck. You can display it onscreen while gaming with Rivatuner.

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Would I be better off sending the card back and instead hunt for a CPU upgrade? Then eventually down the road shop for a new card? I'm feeling like I bought the wrong upgrade for my system.
The card is great and your CPU is still great for gaming. Sure you'd see an increase in performance with Core i5/i7 but you'll see more FPS with a GTX 570 + Q9550 vs any Core i7 + 9800GTX+. You just need to overclock your CPU.

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Or I could try OCing my CPU and see what kind of results I get to see if it is worth keeping the card or not. On that note, is there any CPU OCing guides for a complete noob?
You could post a thread in the Intel area. I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to help you overclock. The only problem I see is that you've got a nVidia chipset board which aren't known to be great for overclocking quads. You should still be able to squeeze ~3.4GHz out of it.

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Btw, with so much GPU memory now, only 3GB is seen of my 4GB installed memory. It use to be 3.3GB with my old card. So that certainly doesn't help performance either.
You should upgrade to Vista x64. I'm pretty sure you can use your key with the 64-bit version.
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The Core 2 Quad Q9xxx cpu are still great one when OCed... My friend got his Q9550 OCed to 4.0GHz with a GTX 580 and there's any important bottleneck ( probably 5% or less).

With yours OCed to 3.4GHz and a GTX 570 there would be any bottleneck and you could use 100% of that GPU. OCing isn't that hard trust me... I did my first OC a month ago with the sig rig and everything is running awesome. I plan to buy a GTX 560 in 5 days ( when out) and i don't think i would have bottleneck. If it does it would be less than 10%.
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Jackson, yeah I benched the Mafia 2 with and without PhysX on and saw a huge leap in performance. It doubles the FPS and then some. Also tried both options at the Physx config in Ncp for CPU and graphics card and WOW, you really do need it on the card. I ran it on the CPU setting and performance dropped to nothing, thought it was gonna crash.

So ok, about OCing my CPU, will I really see a big jump in performance from 2.8 to 3.4GHz, that's only .6GHz?

I must admit I'm a little intimidated and nervous about OCing the CPU. Thanks for the encouragement though.

I was looking at this thread and thought damn, that seems like alot of work. Knowing my luck I'll screw something up, break something, get a headache for days, and it just ends up being a big time sink.
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You could go higher ( if possible) but the nvidia chipset isn't really good for OC... You will see a big jump because the GTX 570 would be fully used. No more bottleneck= good results in gaming/bench. If you want to keep theses results almost same as your 9800gtx+ with that 370$ card, keep it at stock clock...

You can change for a sandy bridge but a sandy with a 9800gtx+ wouldn't be better. The only way to get better results is OC. Can't see any other problem.

The guide you gave is exactly the one i used for my OC. It's fully stable after 12hours of prime95 and arround 15 prime after that, 10 heaven, 20 3D mark/furmark, intel burn test, super pi, F@H or anything that could stress my system.

Thats a great guide. You can also ask on OCN for advice or help, with the number of people here, i'm sure some had this problem, overclocked that cpu and or on this mobo.
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you need to make your GTX 570 take more of the load from the CPU by upping the resolution. You can set Windows to larger font and appearance if you like things larger by going into Appearances by right clicking and going to properties. You should see an up in visual performance with the GPU taking more of the load.

Overclocking the Q9550 is very easy. To get to 3.2 Ghz should only need a slight frequency change, and nothing else - can leave everything else at auto. It was this way on my budget Asus board. Higher than 3.2 took slight tweaking of more settings to run stable.

Should give it a shot!
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