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Depends entirely on GPU
If I put some heatsinks on the vrms would it be safe to max the voltage slider? Since what I can see from oc'ing my card it looks like the vrms are way too hot, would love to have some means to measure the temps in the vrms

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That is incorrect.
You tell him!

You'd think that seeing as you obviously know more about these cards than anybody else that you would have made a decision by now. Or atleast stopped asking for people's opinions if you then refuse to listen/believe them.
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If I put some heatsinks on the vrms would it be safe to max the voltage slider? Since what I can see from oc'ing my card it looks like the vrms are way too hot, would love to have some means to measure the temps in the vrms

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I'm not gonna tell you that it would be 100% safe to max the voltage slider, especially here where people are leaning more on the "safe" or MSI approved side of things rather than "what can I get away with", but some copper heatsinks for the VRMs would certainly be a good idea. Installed with the included thermal tape they wouldn't even void your warranty assuming you don't damage the card applying them and remove them before any RMA if necessary.
Edited by juano - 6/21/11 at 7:17am
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You tell him!

You'd think that seeing as you obviously know more about these cards than anybody else that you would have made a decision by now. Or atleast stopped asking for peoples opinions if you then refuse to listen/believe them.
I am not sure if you are sufficiently informed but I own a Lightning already.
And I know a lot about both cards because I have researched them to death

Didn´t wanna bust your sarcasm sry

Also a forum´s main purpose is to ask for oppinions
hope that isn´t a sarcasm buster as wellxD
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I'm not gonna tell you that it would be 100% safe to max the voltage slider, especially here where people are leaning more on the "safe" or MSI approved side of things rather than "what can I get away with",
2
but some copper heatsinks for the VRMs would certainly be a good idea.
3
Installed with the included thermal tape they wouldn't even void your warranty assuming you don't damage the card applying them and remove them before any RMA if necessary.
1. Yes I am aware of that.
2. I looked at those earlier today, but I am just afraid there is not enough room for those under the main heatsink of this card.
Those Enzotech copper ones are 14mm high.
MSIalex, can you provide some exact figures/sketch of the space between the vrms and the main heatsink? If it's not too much asked.
3. Yes, I'm always careful when I handle my hardware, but I would like to have some official MSI statement of removing the heatsink from the card, since that is what I would have to do in order to install those copper heatsinks to the vrms.

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2. Well they do also make ones that are only 9mm high, but what I would do is actually get the 14mm ones and then splay the fins on them out so that they go out more horizontally and less vertically, this way you would still have the more mass/surface area of the 14mm over the 9mm and you would also increase the amount of air in between each fin. I don't expect MSIalex will be able to provide the specifications you asked for but either solution I provided should work, either splaying out the 14mm fins to take up less vertical space, or just buying the 9mm ones. You can also measure yourself, if I recall correctly a standard 6 pin VGA power cable end is about 14mm, so the 14mm shouldn't be a problem but you will want to measure yourself.

3. He has stated many times throughout this thread that as long as you don't damage the card and are able to return it to stock configuration if you need to RMA it then warranty will not be affected. I will edit and show you if I see an instance of him saying that but if you read back a little ways you will see it said a few times.

EDIT: Here you go, MSIalex stating that warranty is good as long as the card isn't physically damaged by any changes you may make. Click through to the quote for context. (the blue box next to his name)
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Again, read between the lines.

You can swap stuff out all you want, just don't physically damage stuff. Like, knock off a capacitor or score the PCB or break it.

If you LN2 it and you somehow get it on the PCB and it cracks, you're SOL. Get it?

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Okay, many thanks to you juano.
I'll order those 14mm ones.
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does MSI hire co op/intern students?

i know AMD does
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Hello MSIalex, I have purchased two MSI Lightnings GTX 580's, the cards run great maxing out all of my games and runs Benches great. However on the CD's (one CD per card) that came with the cards there is suppose to be an Owners Manual but that folder is empty. The switches on the cards are labeled "Mem V-Switch", "GPU V-Switch", "PLL V-Switch", "OCP Unlocker", and "PWM Clocktuner". Also a BIOS switch for Dual Bios, The Manual will explain how to use these switches, I must say I'm not a novice and I know how to use some of the switches, yet to have that information confirmed and learn more about the operation of these switches while running SLI would be greatly appreciated. Here's a pic of my bad boys
Warranty will be void as previously stated. A lot of info on this you can find on other forums, I'm not going to repeat it as a matter of policy.

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GTX 560ti TFII comes 880mhz core and Hawk comes 950mhz core. Everything else identical.

One thing I couldn't find in specs is if the Hawk comes with 8+1 phase power is the TF II with 4+1 phase power? Can't seem to find specs?
Reference: 4+1
TFII: 6+1
Hawk: 8+1

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That is incorrect.

The overclockability of a gpu in this case the GTX 580 is only determined by the chip to a certain extent, normally 60%.

The rest is strictly decided by power delivery efficiency and voltage tuning.
In other words , VRM´s , phases etc etc.
While we are at it we can also nitpick the choice of components, when the PCB was made, what type of copper was used, etc.

Overclocking is dependent on GPU, period. I say that in the simplest manner, because unless ONE PERSON goes out and does overclocking on a large enough sample set of identical cards, it's impossible to determine conclusively what is "the best".

But this debate can go on forever, I'm just ending this here.

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If I put some heatsinks on the vrms would it be safe to max the voltage slider? Since what I can see from oc'ing my card it looks like the vrms are way too hot, would love to have some means to measure the temps in the vrms
Why are you so stuck on maxing out sliders? If you flood the combustion chamber of an engine with fuel, does that mean you will max out your horsepower output? NO.

Same with electronic components, you can't just throw max voltages at it and win. If that were the case, we'd all be at 6GHz right now on CPUs and 3GHz on GPU.

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MSIalex, can you provide some exact figures/sketch of the space between the vrms and the main heatsink? If it's not too much asked.
No I cannot provide these.
    
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These boards are almost ALL MSI!!!

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/94...hy-choose.html

Whats your response
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Alex I would appreciate a link to an owner's manual for the 580 Lightning if possible, because my card also didn't come with one. Thanks.
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