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ok. its time for me to settle the brain battle within!

I've always been an advocate for 5yr warranty HDDS - REx, Blacks, ES.2 etc, WD/Seagate, dont care, I would only buy 5yr warranty HDDs.. & thats all I have in my file server atm

in fact, couple weeks ago I grabbed me calculator & did some maths:

say I get 12x 1TB HDD.

if I go by the prices here in aus, it works out to be:

green: 12 x 67 = 804
black: 12 x 105 = 1260

now here's the question, the answer to which, I'm very interested in:

what do u guys do / what is the accepted 'norm'/practice in regards to HDD replacement?

if u buy a HDD, do u replace it the yr its warranty ends?
or do u simply let it run till it dies?

if I were to replace the HDDs in the yr their warranty ends, that would mean:

blacks: 3x replaced in 15yrs
greens: 5x replaced in 15yrs

which would mean:

blacks: 3 x 1260 = 3780
greens: 5 x 804 = 4020

so in the end it would be cheaper to get the blacks in the long run..
but is that the 'normal practice' for private file server?
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For future reference, refer to the OCN Professionalism Initiative. It not only makes your posts less tedious to read but makes you look less like a babbling myspace buffoon. No offense intended.

For file storage, you're not going to need the performance of a Black drive, so just opt for the Greens. When a 1TB drive fills up completely, regardless of speed, it will slow down. Though for a compromise of speed and storage, the Samsung F4 2TB drives are priced fantastically, as well as the F3 1TB's. I'm running a couple of them now and they're fantastic!

In any case, I strongly, infact very strongly advise against buying Seagate drives, they are very prone to dying early and their warranty isn't great, whereas WD have a section on their site which is fully automated, dedicated solely to Warranty/RMA.

Hope that helps, sorry if it's not on topic but I found your post incredibly hard to understand.
Edited by Reflux - 1/20/11 at 5:20am
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For future reference, refer to the OCN Professionalism Initiative. It not only makes your posts less tedious to read but makes you look less like a babbling myspace buffoon. No offense intended.

For file storage, you're not going to need the performance of a Black drive, so just opt for the Greens. When a 1TB drive fills up completely, regardless of speed, it will slow down. Though for a compromise of speed and storage, the Samsung F4 2TB drives are priced fantastically, as well as the F3 1TB's. I'm running a couple of them now and they're fantastic!

In any case, I strongly, infact very strongly advise against buying Seagate drives, they are very prone to dying early and their warranty isn't great, whereas WD have a section on their site which is fully automated, dedicated solely to Warranty/RMA.

Hope that helps, sorry if it's not on topic but I found your post incredibly hard to understand.
I think you are the first person to tell me that. While I'm not offended, I certainly am surprised!
Sure I used a handful of abbreviations, but nothing a 'geek' would have trouble with

Since you didn't understand my post too well, your answer didn't 'hit the spot', but never mind - better luck next time!
post #4 of 12
In my opinion, you should factor in a lower price for the drives (or similar drives of same capacity) for the other years.

year 1-3/1-5
green 1tb: 12 x 67 = 804
black 1tb: 12 x 105 = 1260

year 4-6/6-10
green 1tb: 12 x 50 = 600
black 1tb: 12 x 75 = 900

year 7-9/11-15
green 1tb: 12 x 40 = 480
black 1tb: 12 x 55 = 660
year 10-12
green 1tb: 12 x 38 = 456
year 13-15
green 1tb: 12 x 35 = 420

total. green, 2760 black, 2820

Of course, the numbers are speculation. But then factor in speed/heat/noise/power changes over 15 years. I would go with the greens for sure!
    
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In my opinion, you should factor in a lower price for the drives (or similar drives of same capacity) for the other years.

year 1-3/1-5
green 1tb: 12 x 67 = 804
black 1tb: 12 x 105 = 1260

year 4-6/6-10
green 1tb: 12 x 50 = 600
black 1tb: 12 x 75 = 900

year 7-9/11-15
green 1tb: 12 x 40 = 480
black 1tb: 12 x 55 = 660
year 10-12
green 1tb: 12 x 38 = 456
year 13-15
green 1tb: 12 x 35 = 420

total. green, 2760 black, 2820

Of course, the numbers are speculation. But then factor in speed/heat/noise/power changes over 15 years. I would go with the greens for sure!
yeah, there was always that to factor in as well.. it was too speculative for me!

so do ppl just let there hdds run till they die or do they swap them out in last year of warranty?
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If you have a redundant array you can replace them as they fail.

I always have a spare sitting around just in case so that I can replace a failed drive on the fly and place an order for another spare.
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Do you really think you're gonna be bothering with 1TB drives in 15 years?

15 years ago, we were using drives around the 500MB-1GB capacity mark, and modern drives are 3 orders of magnitude larger now...

Personally I don't replace drives when the warranty is out, I just retire drives gradually from my primary storage arrays into backup roles. As I have multiple drive backup levels and parity or mirroring protecting each layer the length of the warranty doesn't really concern me. In my experience all drives have similar lifespan regardless of their warranty length anyway.
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I would agree, I seem to replace drives more often with larger replacements than I do failed drives.
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@OP

Businesses tend to replace drives proactively rather than reactively, but then a) they have the cash flow and b) the data is worth more than the hard drive(s).

For home use, just replace them when they fail and keep a cold spare handy.
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I've been running a 6tb RAID 5 set with WD green, they have never given any problems (RR2314).

I choose the green disks because their inherent design puts less stress on the internals, they are about conserving power and generating less heat, they are whisper quite as well.

Less power drawn for each disk means my IcyDock external enclosure fan runs quite. Also less power drawn means the IcyDock power supply is not working hard all the time. I do have an exact spare IcyDock enclosure just incase.

Which means better MTFB to me!

They are slower as individual disks, but I get decent performance in RAID 5 of around 160mbps, which is good enough for HD video streaming.

BTW: My RAID is on 24/7, it never gets switched off.
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