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post #11 of 33
I highly recommend you to use a quality top with your pump. I use EK-D5 X-Top Rev. 2. Vibration got much less with the top. Only this benefit is enough to consider to buy a top to use with the pump. Less vibration is longer life Good luck on your WC setup. Don't forget to add photos with a build log in OCN please...
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Since you seem quite knowledgeable and experienced
What do you think of my setup?
https://www.aquatuning.at/shopping_c...8d0a81fd2df5d4

Is there anything that could be improved?
That was the first time I have ever heard that the Kryos would restrict waterflow?
hope you can give me some feedback on the parts that will go into my TJ07

I am really concerned of not being able to bleed properly because the UV green tubing would not allow me to see air bubbles.
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post #13 of 33
Please don't compare the maximum flow rate of a pump, it's a rather useless statistic. What you should be comparing is the head pressure of the pump at a flow rate of 1.0 GPM.

Here are some statistics for the various pumps I have mentioned (and more):


MCP355 + XSPC Top: 6.40 PSI
MCP655 + EK Top: 4.95 PSI
MCP655 Stock: 4.72 PSI
MCP355 Stock: 4.63 PSI
MCP350 + Top: 4.48 PSI
DCP 4.0 Stock: 3.83 PSI
XSPC 750: 3.59 PSI
MCP350: 3.25 PSI

I don't even have any data for the 35X, but it's even more powerful than the 355 + Top combination, probably closer to 7 PSI.

The 655 really isn't a very powerful pump compared to the 35XX series, and it consumes more electrical power. I will never buy it due to this reason alone.
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post #14 of 33
the 655 Pump is better for low restriction Loops.
the 350/355 pump(s) are better for High restriction loops since it has more head force, meaning it can push more water if anything is pushing back.
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Charlie, can you link to your data please?
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post #16 of 33
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Originally Posted by charliehorse55 View Post
Please don't compare the maximum flow rate of a pump, it's a rather useless statistic. What you should be comparing is the head pressure of the pump at a flow rate of 1.0 GPM.

Here are some statistics for the various pumps I have mentioned (and more):


MCP355 + XSPC Top: 6.40 PSI
MCP655 + EK Top: 4.95 PSI
MCP655 Stock: 4.72 PSI
MCP355 Stock: 4.63 PSI
MCP350 + Top: 4.48 PSI
DCP 4.0 Stock: 3.83 PSI
XSPC 750: 3.59 PSI
MCP350: 3.25 PSI

I don't even have any data for the 35X, but it's even more powerful than the 355 + Top combination, probably closer to 7 PSI.

The 655 really isn't a very powerful pump compared to the 35XX series, and it consumes more electrical power. I will never buy it due to this reason alone.
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the 655 Pump is better for low restriction Loops.
the 350/355 pump(s) are better for High restriction loops since it has more head force, meaning it can push more water if anything is pushing back.
Where do you people come up with that?
I have NEVER heard anything close to that?oO!

I would love for you both to show some proof for this preposterousy.
The 655 or D5 is one of the most sold and used pumps in the whole WC scene...its power and effectivness is legendary it has not been rewarded countless times without reason.
The 355 is an older model and may have a stronger head force nonetheless does this factor only determine 45% of the pumps power and efficiency potential for restrictive loops.

Other than that it too was the first time I have ever heard that the Aquacomputer Cuplex Kryos Pro was ristrictive?oO
You both have made some strong statements and I hope you are able to fortify and proof them.
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post #17 of 33
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I have done some research regarding that issue and I have come to the following conclusion based on the link I will post at the end.

MCP 355 + Petra´s Top does have higher Head pressure
MCP 655 stock does still have a better flowrate in non restrictive loops ...the results with a top regardless of what manufacturer are even higher compared to the MCP 355
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Howver, many people have reported mailfunction and a very short life expectancy of the MCP 355.Also it has been said that the pump creates much more Vibration and is therefor louder than its successor.
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In my oppinion regardless of which kind of loop you may have restrictive or non restrictive .....noise,short life expactancy,a marginal amount of additional performance for restrctive loops that is hardly noticeable, are all factors that point me towards the MCP 655.

So apologies to charliehorse your point of few was not false but a little missguided.

Here the link:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/.../t-168059.html
(Pay special attention to the posts in the middle)
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post #18 of 33
Here is where I got the pump data:

MCP355: http://martin.skinneelabs.com/DDC32PumpTopTesting.html
MCP350: http://martinsliquidlab.i4memory.com...opTesting.html
MCP655: http://skinneelabs.com/d5-tops.html
EK DCP 4.0: http://skinneelabs.com/pumps-jingway.html
XSPC 750: http://www.pureoverclock.com/article889.html

As for the waterblock restriction you should check out Vapor's testing.

EDIT: Yes, the 355 is louder, and yes if you cover the bottom the pump will overheat and fail. However the 655 will also overheat if you cover the pump housing. The reason that you don't hear stories about 655s failing is because they come with a better mounting bracket that makes it harder to let it overheat. In addition there was a bad batch of 355s a while back that gave a lot of failures, however nowadays you shouldn't worry about getting one as they are all gone. Also, the 355 and 350 both consume much less power than the 655.

Finally flow rates over 1 GPM don't really help temperatures all that much anyways because loop flow rate is not very important and because the added heat dump from the pump increases your water temperature.
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post #19 of 33
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I did read the review and I am afraid your statement about the Kryos requireing a "stronger" pump because of the blocks restrictivness is wrong.

I quote:"Well we have a new thermal performance leader! The kryos XT with the thicker o-ring edged out the champion from Roundup #2, the EK Supreme HF P1, and is pretty much equal at the four highest pumping powers. At the lowest pumping power the kryos XT begins to fall behind. Overall restriction isn't bad at all; yes, it's the most restrictive tested so far, but that doesn't mean much, flowrates are totally acceptable."
http://skinneelabs.com/ac-kryos-xt.html?page=4
The Kryos is the absolute best of the best right now and will be until King of Cool is releasedand the mounting difficulties have only occrued with the first models of the cheapest model Belrin I believe it is called. Pro,XT and HF are fine however

About that MCP 655 vs MCP 355 issue ....I would just recommend to just get the newer and better producation value product that comes with more features such as a manual speed control , better mounting hardware, better flowrate,lower risk of overheating and breaking down ..therefore higher life expactancy and so on.

You are right there has been a chain of 355s that was especially bad but the model number 350 and 355 still are the most reported of mailfunction and break down.
And just to point out the obvious ...all those slightly false accusive information and data has only been gathered from skinnelabs and frankly they are nearly the only ones I read this things from...so others that read those reviews be aware and keep that in mind

So +1 Alphacool VPP 655/MCP 655/Laing D5 Vario etc
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post #20 of 33
Manual speed control? What about automatic speed control? Flow rate? the 35X has more. Overheating? With the automatic speed control the pump will run much cooler than eith the 355 or 655 most of the time.

Personally I think the best pump is the 35X. If you want to get the 655 instead, go ahead as it's your build.

About the CPU block:

Yes, in a CPU only loop (as Vapor tested) it does okay, however if you were to add in more waterblocks the extra restriction might hold you down. It's always something to consider.
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