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The difference is that Verizon doesn't own that toll road....... they lease a license to operate on that road........ that doesn't give them any authority to set up roadblocks , or to stream specific traffic on that road.
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post #12 of 53
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That logic is somewhat flawed. Let's say I own a toll road and I charge 5$ for one car to pass. If someone wanted to bring large semi truck carrying tons of hazardous material I should have the right to charge him more than I would an average car. With the laws of net neutrality I have no right to charge him extra and he is entitled to pass for the simple 5$ fee as well, even though his load taxes my road much more heavily and carries with it significantly higher risk.

It's the exact same scenario with net neutrality really. Substitute Verizon's network for the road. You don't own Verizon's network. They do. They allow you to use it for a fee. You use it on their terms. If you don't agree to their terms no one is preventing you from finding a different network.
I wholeheartedly disagree. I hate for the day to come when i have to pick ISPs by what content is allow and what isn't.

And next thing we know, the internet will be censored.
    
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The difference is that Verizon doesn't own that toll road....... they lease a license to operate on that road........ that doesn't give them any authority to set up roadblocks , or to stream specific traffic on that road.
The toll road isn't the internet, it's their network. They OWN the network. They built and invested in it. They have the right to determine what passes through it.

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I wholeheartedly disagree. I hate for the day to come when i have to pick ISPs by what content is allow and what isn't.

And next thing we know, the internet will be censored.
What exactly do you disagree with? Do you think we have the right to determine what Verizon allows to pass through their networks? Is that the way you think it should work?
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The toll road isn't the internet, it's their network. They OWN the network. They built and invested in it. They have the right to determine what passes through it.
The U.S is already lacking when compared to other nations in broadband speed. We're already paying more for less. Now they want to find ways to charge us even more just to get typical content that most people switched to broadband in the first place to get?
    
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That logic is somewhat flawed. Let's say I own a toll road and I charge 5$ for one car to pass. If someone wanted to bring large semi truck carrying tons of hazardous material I should have the right to charge him more than I would an average car. With the laws of net neutrality I have no right to charge him extra and he is entitled to pass for the simple 5$ fee as well, even though his load taxes my road much more heavily and carries with it significantly higher risk.

It's the exact same scenario with net neutrality really. Substitute Verizon's network for the road. You don't own Verizon's network. They do. They allow you to use it for a fee. You use it on their terms. If you don't agree to their terms no one is preventing you from finding a different network.
Really bad analogy. You have the right to charge the truck more because it takes up more space and is heavier, which will cause more wear on the road.

A better analogy would be if the toll road was sponsored by Ford, and that any Ford cars could use the road for free while GM and Chrysler cars had to pay $10, and all other cars $5, because that is exactly what is going on here.

Verizon is fighting the bill because companies like Netflix provide services similar their own. Verizon wants to use their network to give themselves an unfair advantage against the competition.
    
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The toll road isn't the internet, it's their network. They OWN the network. They built and invested in it. They have the right to determine what passes through it.


What exactly do you disagree with? Do you think we have the right to determine what Verizon allows to pass through their networks? Is that the way you think it should work?
I really hope that people with your opinion are a very small minority. Its not a damn toll road, its the internet, if the framers of the constitution would of known about the internet. For the love of God. Tv is so messed up and and you only see what they want you to see, if they can do the same to the internet ill become a hermit far out I n the woods.
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Take my analogy for example..

Imagine the internet is the food in an all-you-can-eat buffet.

The ISP is the dishwasher.

Now if a obese person enters and consume more.. does that mean he should pay more to eat when the ISP is too cheap to invest in another dishwasher to keep up with the demands?
    
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Really bad analogy. You have the right to charge the truck more because it takes up more space and is heavier, which will cause more wear on the road.
Fair to a point, but bandwidth is not an unlimited resource. It costs money.

The brands argument is also quite valid. But as I stated earlier, it's Verizon's own damn network and they should be able to do with it as they please. I don't understand how you can justify the FCC telling a private entity what it can do with it's network.
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Take my analogy for example..

Imagine the internet is the food in an all-you-can-eat buffet.

The ISP is the dishwasher.

Now if a obese person enters and consume more.. does that mean he should pay more to eat when the ISP is too cheap to invest in another dishwasher to keep up with the demands?
This analogy doesn't work. The ISP would be the waitress that delivers the food to the customers. The food (internet content) is the product, the customer is the still the customer and the waitress (the ISP's network) is the means by which the food is delivered to the customer. A customer ordering more food places a larger burden on the waitress thus she is compensated to a greater degree with a higher tip.
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Fair to a point, but bandwidth is not an unlimited resource. It costs money.

The brands argument is also quite valid. But as I stated earlier, it's Verizon's own damn network and they should be able to do with it as they please. I don't understand how you can justify the FCC telling a private entity what it can do with it's network.
How would you feel if you were on Verizon and they felt like charging you extra for you to go to your favorite websites? Or better yet what if they blocked certain sites because they deem them unfit? Let's say you use netflix a lot and they want to charge you a fee for using another companies service?

This is what they are fighting about. ISP's are dreaming of a subscription that works like Television, where if you want certain channels you pay X amount.
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